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agate_ t1_j66q62p wrote

This engineering question needs a meteorologist! The answer lies in the turbulent mixing of the lower atmosphere.

The planetary boundary layer is the turbulent layer of air near the ground. Turbulence in this layer mixes air near the ground with air higher up. This mixes all sorts of air properties from top to bottom of the layer: for example, humid air near the ground is mixed with drier air higher up, making the ground-level air less humid and the upper air more humid.

The layer also mixes momentum, or air speed. The air at ground level -- down among the grass blades -- isn't moving at all, but it's moving very fast several kilometers up. Turbulent mixing transfers momentum across the planetary boundary layer just like humidity, making the ground-level air go faster and slowing down the air higher up.

And now for the kicker: the amount of turbulence in the layer depends on solar heating. When the ground is heated by the sun, hot air rises. The rising plumes of air increase the turbulent mixing in the planetary boundary layer and cause it to extend higher up.

So, during the day, mixing in the boundary layer is more intense, so more slow-moving air at ground level is stirred up to the height of the wind turbine blades, so they experience slower wind speeds. At night, the PBL doesn't carry slow-moving air up to the turbines, so they get the full force of the upper-level winds.

You may have noticed that for you as a human, nights seem to be calmer, and it's windier during the day, which is the opposite of what wind turbines feel. This is the same effect in reverse! You're so close to the ground that you don't feel much wind unless turbulence in the planetary boundary layer brings it down to your height.

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kilotesla t1_j696fnt wrote

Thanks, that's a fantastic explanation of a really interesting phenomenon!

I wanted to see a graph of it and found this plot of wind speed by hour of the day at different heights above the ground, and it very clearly shows exactly what you're describing, with the neutral point between the two trends at about 150 m. Not all wind turbines are tall enough to be above that, but I'm not sure how representative that particular data is, and the height of a wind turbine tower is often augmented by putting it on a hill.

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agate_ t1_j6a7c2x wrote

Neat, I hadn’t seen the data presented that way before. Your graph also shows an important difference between land and sea: because the sea surface is usually smoother than the land (no trees and hills), there’s less turbulent mixing and the boundary layer is usually thinner. So the neutral point you’re talking about is much lower at sea.

The weaker, thinner boundary layer also means the overall wind speed is much higher at sea, which is why people go to the trouble of building offshore wind turbines.

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Narrow_Competition41 t1_j66feiy wrote

It's greatest during the transition from night to day and day to night, notwithstanding any kind of atmospheric disturbance like a storm. Basically it has to do with the sun heating the surface during the morning hrs, and during the evening hrs the surface releasing that heat. Keep in mind air aloft, where the turbine blades are (~300ft) situated, is always more active than at the surface level.

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aztronut t1_j6kdc2v wrote

The Sun heats up more of the atmosphere when the incoming rays are tangent to the surface, such as at the terminators at twilight, than when the incidence is normal to the surface, and it is also normal to the atmosphere. This extra energy in the atmosphere at twilight typically results in greater wind speeds.

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srandrews t1_j66chmx wrote

Wind is a very location specific phenomenon. Sometimes days are windy, sometimes nights. Such conditions greatly influence the economics of a wind farm. For example, it is ideal to line up peak production with peak demand. And peak demand is typically during the day. And the other thing to keep in mind is that if there is no load to serve, a wind farm won't generate.

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UnamedStreamNumber9 t1_j66ehhu wrote

This is what grid scale batteries would address: storing energy for when this is load to take it. The “load” could also be co2 conversion to hudrocarbon fuels, another form of energy storage

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srandrews t1_j66gcxm wrote

Yep! A basic use case is pumped storage - hydro - pump water up hill for peaking at a later time.

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Duros001 t1_j66m2rq wrote

I don’t know if there is a marked difference in density, but I would presume the air is colder (and therefor denser) at night, so a 15mph breeze of denser air has more mass than 15mph of warmer air. That coupled with the sun heating the ground and causing Eddys and other disruptions during the daytime could all be contributing factors

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