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toblirone t1_j4cp6in wrote

Looks better than it is. It's way too often shared with car traffic and not separated from traffic unfortunately.

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shobankr OP t1_j4csbn4 wrote

Unfortunately true. Hope they reduce the numbers of streets that cars are allowed and only allow pedestrians and bikes. Some streets were converted in the last years and they look amazing without cars.

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toblirone t1_j4ezg60 wrote

Thanks for your effort anyway! Really appreciate maps of Vienna. But let's hope we will have a map like that but with decent cycle lanes.

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camxus t1_j4g2y44 wrote

still better than in most countries. the usa doesn’t even compare. warte me mal bis du von fahrradspur am rechten fahrstreifen zum linken wechseln musst for no reason

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ubeogesh t1_j4f90wt wrote

It's still pretty great compared to my Warsaw where lots of thr bike paths are disconnected

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ImprovedPersonality t1_j4ffbkk wrote

Equal sharing would be fine. Having completely separate infrastructure is just a waste of space and money.

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Knusperwolf t1_j4dorpx wrote

According to the official Website of Vienna, it's 1661 km. However, as mentioned here, this is what is included:

  • 169.2 km of actual bike paths
  • 170 km of mixes pedestrian/bike paths
  • 44,6 km of bike lanes
  • 142 km of multi-use lanes (like bike lanes, but less illegal for cars to drive on them...)
  • 28.7 km of bike crossings and intersections
  • 7.4 km of bicycle streets (where cars are allowed, but sometimes modal filters discourage driving cars there)
  • 324.8 km of one way streets with a bike lane in the other direction
  • 18.6 km of bus lanes that allow bikes there (and usually taxis, so it's pretty worthless)
  • 275 km of bike routes (can be anything, but since these are not included in the other categories, it's simply quieter streets that cyclists are directed to using direction signs. Some of these actually do have a lot of traffic and are awful to cycle in)
  • 8.9 km of pedestrian zones that allow cycling (but usually only "walking speed" which is not properly defined)
  • 38.1 km of Wohnstraßen (google it, you are allowed to play football on the street, no through traffic for cars allowed, in reality those are parking lots)
  • 358.8 km traffic calmed areas (honestly, no idea what that is. It probably contains "Begegnungszonen", which is a 20 km/h shared space, but we do not have 358.8 km of those)
  • 73.9 km Mountainbike trails (mostly in the forest, you can see those in OP's map along the western edge

All in all, it could be worse, but we do not have 1600 km of actual bike infrastructure.

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General1lol t1_j4erqwa wrote

These statistics are amazing. My city just adds green paint and bicycle symbols on 4 lane roads then adds that to their “cycle friendly” miles; when in actuality we have less than 1 mile of bicycle-dedicated track.

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Knusperwolf t1_j4fjujn wrote

The quality in Vienna differs a lot by district. In some areas you can go for several km without any intersection with cars. In other areas you get what you describe.

If you stick to the river promenades, you have to share the path with pedestrians, but in most cases this is still better than going on the streets. Especially since it's not so noisy.

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shobankr OP t1_j4ca7kf wrote

Vienna has 1600+ km of bike paths. Austria Open Data portal provides the dataset for bike path infrastructure in Vienna, Austria. I created a simple web app to show this on a map: https://blog.shoban.dev/visualizing-the-1600-kms-of-bike-path-in-vienna/

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Edit: thanks to u/Knusperwolf , More details about the paths

According to the official Website of Vienna, it's 1661 km. However, as mentioned here, this is what is included:

169.2 km of actual bike paths

170 km of mixes pedestrian/bike paths

44,6 km of bike lanes

142 km of multi-use lanes (like bike lanes, but less illegal for cars to drive on them...)

28.7 km of bike crossings and intersections

7.4 km of bicycle streets (where cars are allowed, but sometimes modal filters discourage driving cars there)

324.8 km of one way streets with a bike lane in the other direction

18.6 km of bus lanes that allow bikes there (and usually taxis, so it's pretty worthless)

275 km of bike routes (can be anything, but since these are not included in the other categories, it's simply quieter streets that cyclists are directed to using direction signs. Some of these actually do have a lot of traffic and are awful to cycle in)

8.9 km of pedestrian zones that allow cycling (but usually only "walking speed" which is not properly defined)

38.1 km of Wohnstraßen (google it, you are allowed to play football on the street, no through traffic for cars allowed, in reality those are parking lots)

358.8 km traffic calmed areas (honestly, no idea what that is. It probably contains "Begegnungszonen", which is a 20 km/h shared space, but we do not have 358.8 km of those)

73.9 km Mountainbike trails (mostly in the forest, you can see those in OP's map along the western edge

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Lev_Kovacs t1_j4csig1 wrote

Yeah, nice visualization, but that one is a straight up lie. Bike paths are barely existent in vienna, the few that exist do not link up to form a coherent network, and the quality is abysmal.

The city government just likes to declare everything as a bike lane so they can claim to have built X kilometres of it.

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Vorschrift t1_j4dy8up wrote

Yea... We have such a bad life here. Not.

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durdensbuddy t1_j4enurd wrote

I love that city! Once, many years ago, left a club at 2am, found an abandoned toddlers bike on the side of the road and rode it home across the city. Such good memories.

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soldelmisol t1_j4cdldq wrote

May be doing Regensburg-Vienna-Salzburg this summer. Good to know!

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Razer797 t1_j4ckil7 wrote

Hey New Zealand city councils. This is how you do bike paths. They actually connect to something rather than just dumping you on the road at a set of traffic lights or leading you straight into a section of concrete kerbing.

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Akaiyo t1_j4cysya wrote

No, as much as I love Vienna, please look at other Cities for a "how to", like Copenhagen.

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Tulkor t1_j4cqixm wrote

The bike paths aren't optimal at all sadly, often shared with cars or very close to foot paths so if you go by foot they race by you not even 30cm away, and sometimes they do the same as you criticized, just stop at crossings (rarely tho).

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ilxfrt t1_j4d0vux wrote

Hahhahaha no.

Sincerely, a Viennese biker.

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doctorcapslock t1_j4coy0q wrote

inb4 dutch guy comes in to rave about dutch bike paths

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DarkMatterOne t1_j4e45d9 wrote

I think they also include "Mehrzweckstreifen" as bike paths which is sadly a huge difference in Quality

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arnbee1 t1_j4e6oah wrote

Mödling hier. Welcher ist der beste?

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CrankyDav3 t1_j4eeknk wrote

Based on path of exile skill tree

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Heyric21 t1_j4fci7x wrote

Vienna is beautiful, but there is something wrong with cars. They obey to the traffic laws better than ever, but they are a lot and it shouldn’t be so with such a variety of public transport

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Potatonized t1_j4e7y87 wrote

Hopefully with this, they dont clog up the traffic

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smchattan t1_j4eysin wrote

Austria!? well then... g'day mate. Let's put anotha shrimp on the barbie!

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Vorschrift t1_j4dxvyo wrote

Oh... And btw: people here in Vienna complain about not having enough bicycle ways. They're just too spoiled.

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