Submitted by session6 t3_11d9vyx in mildlyinteresting
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CarltonSagot t1_ja7wuxb wrote
You got the conversion to USD wrong. It converts down to million not up.
2 Billion Yen is roughly 15 Million USD.
session6 OP t1_jacbq4b wrote
It should have been trillion yen. Sorry for the confusion.
phadrus56 t1_ja7e1gr wrote
So why are facts on how the taxes are used classified as propaganda?
session6 OP t1_ja7kjbm wrote
I implore you to critically engage with what propaganda is.
phadrus56 t1_ja7n00n wrote
propaganda
prŏp″ə-găn′də
noun
The systematic propagation of a doctrine or cause or of information reflecting the views and interests of those advocating such a doctrine or cause.
PhantomTroupe-2 t1_ja7tp93 wrote
And what don’t you get
phadrus56 t1_ja8yimz wrote
Sorry, I always took propaganda to mean lies or misinformation.
PhantomTroupe-2 t1_ja944av wrote
Nah it’s just information to serve a narrative basically….can be lies or legit
blackbirdblackbird1 t1_ja92rmg wrote
Using specific facts can also be used to drive an agenda. They don't have to be made up.
For example: Local Police Department: Car break-ins are up 50% this year! They conveniently didn't tell you that car break-ins went from 2 to 3.
This poster is basically trying to imply that smoking is good because the taxes collected do so much good.
phadrus56 t1_ja9x8rx wrote
It's good for the economy, the farmers and the tobacco industry
blackbirdblackbird1 t1_ja9xj4z wrote
But known to negatively impact your health and the health of people around you.
The whole point is propaganda can be anything that intentionally leaves out important information.
phadrus56 t1_jaahfbj wrote
Minor health impact. People who don't smoke have a 3% chance of getting lung cancer. Smoking doubles that. To 6 %. 94% chance of not getting it.
blackbirdblackbird1 t1_jaakpct wrote
Interesting numbers. Do you have any citations?
Here's what I was able to find: American Cancer Society: 2023 SPECIAL SECTION: LUNG CANCER
Page 32: > The lifetime risk of developing lung cancer is approximately 6.2% among men and 5.8% among women, or 1 in 16 men and 1 in 17 women during their lifetime (Table 6).
> However, these probabilities are based on lung cancer occurrence in the general population so the risk is substantially higher for those with a history of smoking. 15
Page 37: >The primary risk factor for lung cancer is cigarette smoking, which accounts for about 80% of lung cancer cases and deaths (Figure 4).1 Cigarette smoking increases the risk of lung cancer 25-fold in both men and women compared to people who never smoked.15
phadrus56 t1_jaazm0s wrote
This doesn't refute what I said. The numbers are close.
blackbirdblackbird1 t1_jaazu3b wrote
Just admit you're in denial (or you're intentionally spreading incorrect information (aka... propaganda))
Double your numbers for non-smokers and smokers are 25x more likely is close?
phadrus56 t1_jac1rtj wrote
Life time risk for men is 6.2%.
blackbirdblackbird1 t1_jae8l2x wrote
> Life time risk for the male population, on average, is 6.2%. FTFY
This does not mean smokers have only a 6.2% chance of getting lung cancer.
Leanardoe t1_ja837qz wrote
So this perfectly falls within the definition.
No_Log_5682 t1_ja8gyg6 wrote
Dude put up the definition of the word and it still flew over his head
ciunnc t1_ja7jo0a wrote
Is there a estimate of tabacco related medical cost each year.
session6 OP t1_ja7jzmx wrote
Nope
ataeil t1_ja7og9o wrote
Lol these taxes are created as a deterrent. These things are just a byproduct of getting money from that deterrent.
pokepok t1_ja9czig wrote
I love how tobacco is one of the few foreign words written in hiragana. Like, they have accepted it as truly Japanese lol
Smol_dude1 t1_ja82dfn wrote
"propaganda"
session6 OP t1_ja7d8ld wrote
This is a photo taken in a smoking room in a Japanese bar. The top left says 'Do you know the ways tobacco taxes are used?' bottom right 'tobacco raises 2billion yen (~$20b) it is used by the government to enrich the lives of the people.' underneath that is the logo and name of the national tobacco association.
N.b: I have paraphrased theranslation to make it fit better.