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newmoon23 t1_iv5oy9f wrote

“Michael Wigglesworth’s father.” 🤔

Also a burial ground? A swamp? In what is now the green???

What’s the source of this map? Not doubting it’s veracity, just curious. The way places are described feels personal, not like an official map. Wondering who made it.

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stinkbeast666 t1_iv5rcrg wrote

The green was a burial ground for long after this map was created. There are still bodies buried below, and a few years ago a storm knocked over a tree and revealed a few.

As for the swamp, lots of 9 Square was back filled and the harbor used to creep a lot closer. Think about if you removed long wharf and the interstate alone how close the water would be.

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twoshovels OP t1_iv5x9iz wrote

Yes that’s right! Roughly 4 thousand maybe 5 remaining still & I remember that storm exposed a body!! I can’t help but wonder if the guys who moved the graves… but left the body’s are damed now. I imagine no living family members were alive by the 1800s when they moved them..

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newmoon23 t1_iv68khp wrote

I never knew it was a burial ground. So interesting that there are still so many bodies buried there. I walk through almost every day. I will show more reverence from now on. :)

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stinkbeast666 t1_iv6i237 wrote

You can visit the crypt under one of the churches on the green, I believe it's the center one. When they removed the headstones many of them ended up there. You have to schedule a tour to see them however, you can't just waltz on in.

While I'm thinking of creepy things to visit, go stoop sit at the Skull & Bones house and visit the Cushing Brain Museum on Cedar St.

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twoshovels OP t1_ivbqak9 wrote

Not to long ago a storm pushed over a few trees and they found a skull and things. I believe it made the news.

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twoshovels OP t1_iv5wsji wrote

The water used to come up to chapel street. To this day there is still 4-5k dead body’s under the green. Still.I believe the green is 16 acres . The green was original design was to hold 144k people who would be saved by god during the 2nd coming, They built a church over a small part of the cemetery and in the basement of the church you can see the tombstones. Lee court house when they dug in the basement to install pumps, clamshells we’re found. I will post a source later as I can’t just find it this at the moment, however Thee new haven historical society does have this map. Stay tuned as I’ll find my source later & possibly tomorrow I may post up another interesting new haven green story. Personally I love new haven.

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flytweed t1_iv6a5lv wrote

This week NH gave final site approval for the long-planned “Lost in New Haven” museum that will have treasures and tid-bits from the past in a way that the current New Haven Museum (aka Historical Society) does not. It will open somewhere off Grand Ave.

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MattFantastic t1_iv8xorl wrote

I was lucky enough to see it this past summer, and even in its not final form it was amazing. Can’t wait to go back and see even more.

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newmoon23 t1_iv68evc wrote

That’s awesome, thanks so much for all the info. I also love New Haven and love hearing about it’s history.

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twoshovels OP t1_iv91wib wrote

Thank you as I do to! Stay tuned I have a cpl more good ones coming.

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twoshovels OP t1_iv5yupc wrote

A John Brockett laid out the original town plan of 9 squares & who possibly made this map or at best helped someone make this. My apologies I’m freaking getting old I guess, I once was able to rattle this stuff off the top of my head. Actually I try to blame it on the internet. I read or see so much online that it’s information overload..

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bingybunny t1_iv7ad8w wrote

that's what things were like back then. tiny population. english people are like hobbits when in small numbers. everybody knew everybody, they'd be all up in your business

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youmustbeanexpert t1_iv81lqt wrote

Bring back the swamp, I think it's just what a downtown needs.

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twoshovels OP t1_iv91gmd wrote

That area in my day used to be so chill. There would be some dude walking down chapel by the old mall smoking a joint & you might ask him if he had any, he would quickly serve you up right then & there much to the oder peoples shock! Then quickly we’d go to the green and smoke ourselves, inevitably someone would come over and next thing u know it would be a small smoke fest. Always watching for 5-0. New haven cops didn’t play and we would avoid them at any cost.

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killedmygoldfish t1_iv7xajb wrote

New Haven in 1641, Atwater map, Wikimedia Commons

New Haven in 1640, Oviatt map, Wikimedia Commons

Source for Oviatt map: The beginnings of Yale (1701-1726) by Oviatt, Edwin, 1874-1955 (via Internet Archive)

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twoshovels OP t1_iv91nml wrote

I just think these are cool. I love the large tract each person has at this time. I got to get back into my ancestry again. I have multiple descendants from new haven.

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AbacaxiLovesOranges t1_iv7wii3 wrote

I just learned a couple of weeks ago that a few of the streets on this map were moved, so street locations aren’t strictly accurate.

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twoshovels OP t1_iv91ton wrote

I can post then vs now pics if you’d like. Yes there are changes every where. It’s all interesting to say the least. I really like the green and how far it used to come up to water as well as the Wooster street area.

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SeanFromQueens t1_iva6241 wrote

How old would you have to be to known as Old Mr. Nash in 1640 within the first decade of the settlement existing? I had the assumption that those who mad the trip across the ocean in 17th century were young adventurous types, not Old Mr. Nash.

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twoshovels OP t1_iva8cu3 wrote

Funny!! Great point!! Honestly I always thought any age person jumped on a ship and came here. Probably sick as hell of king stupid over there, & the main driving force was money, and land.I believe like them my biggest worry would have been the natives..

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SeanFromQueens t1_iva9lqb wrote

Like if you were 50+ years old in England, were going to risk the 6 week voyage and all the dangers of settling virgin territory or just sit back and in England and live out your old age in relative certainty of your last days that you won't starve, attacked by wild animals, or killed by Natives who are interloping on their lands?

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twoshovels OP t1_ivbq1h7 wrote

Not to mention, “oh no I’ve cut myself, now I’m going to die “

I mean I guess so. I mean it seems to me @ 50 yrs old your pretty well set in your little routine in life , and to just up & go to what was to them people back then a new world is a Huge life change. Honestly I can’t say I would. Nothing like that exists today and I’m exuding outer space. But back then I guess it was a promise of sorts , untold wealth & Fortune, and land await all in the new world. I suppose if I hated the king, maybe even the king had it out for me, no work, living under the kings army’s rule, hungry all the time? Maybe I would go. Just seems to us here & now a huge gamble.

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