b4ngl4d3sh t1_itgl90p wrote
Lol, "deeply concerning". Calm down man.. You lead off a title like that, i was expecting something actually concerning. On the surface, all this dude did was clean up plastic litter.
b4ngl4d3sh t1_itgqu0d wrote
Is this really controversial? Lol. Deeply concerning is sedition, deeply concerning is rampant inflation. Stealing signs is jerkish douchebaggery, probably in the vaguely concerning range, bordering on meh.
Dr_smell t1_itgubmi wrote
He's the elected official who is in charge of counting the votes. He's only removing democrat signs.
Why is he personally removing signs of the opposing party that he belongs to?
b4ngl4d3sh t1_itguoh7 wrote
Because he thinks it'll effect the numbers?? Most people just vote along party lines anyway. These signs are just overkill and flat out litter. It's disgusting, as if there's not already a deeply concerning amount of plastic in our landfills and oceans. Find a better way, team red and team blue.
Dr_smell t1_itgvqyp wrote
I'm not saying I think lawn signs are good for the environment. But an elected official who is in charge of overseeing election results is personally interfering with the election. Just because this guy's name isn't in the headlines each week shouldn't be a reason to brush off his actions. If Phil Murphy was on the side of the street ripping up GOP lawn signs, y'all would freak the fuck out.
b4ngl4d3sh t1_itgwqk3 wrote
Y'all? I'm politically apathetic, unfortunately. I'm disappointed in all of our elected officials. I would treat Murphy the same. As in, I'd think it was a braindead, waste of time considering the American populations voting habits. Dems generally vote blue and repubs red. Roadside litter isn't swaying many people. if it was reported that he was taking them down and disposing of them properly, i may give him kudos, lol. We got a crisis on our hands in NJ and the world, our politicians told us we couldn't have plastic bags and straws, but they can still put an obscene amount of plastic garbage on the roadsides? It's gross and an issue that's near to my heart.
wildcarde815 t1_ithfrfn wrote
It's foolish to discount the impact signs have on name recognition.
b4ngl4d3sh t1_ithg7ua wrote
Agree to disagree, there are studies out there. I'm too reddit illiterate to link them. But the info is out there. Negligible, Americans far and large vote via party lines, and according to Yale, will regularly vote against democratic processes for their own party, and that's both sides.
wildcarde815 t1_iticj5i wrote
Always love a good both sides hand wave
b4ngl4d3sh t1_itj84al wrote
Ell oh Ell, i love how trying to be objective has become this mortal sin. I identify as left, btw.
Enjoy_Your_Win t1_itgx0cb wrote
They’re not litter if they serve a purpose, which they do.
b4ngl4d3sh t1_itgxctr wrote
Dude, you can't be serious? Litter is litter... And the usefulness of roadside political ads is dubious at best. There are better ways to get your political message out there without further harming an already precarious environmental situation.
Enjoy_Your_Win t1_itgxomt wrote
As long as the sign convinces at least one person to vote differently, the sign has served its intended purpose and is therefore not litter.
b4ngl4d3sh t1_itgyxup wrote
I disagree. It's the 21st century. Pay for YouTube ads, go old-school and run radio/tv ads. Anything but creating a one time use item that will end up as forever trash somewhere in an ocean or landfill. We can't really afford to be this nonchalant about useless plastic anymore. They're finding nano plastics in newborn placentas and the baby's themselves.
Enjoy_Your_Win t1_itgz5d0 wrote
Eh gonna have to agree to disagree here. I’m pretty far from an environmentalist.
b4ngl4d3sh t1_itgzwv2 wrote
Agree to disagree, I'm not trying to be preachy here. I just hope, as a species, we can do better.
Enjoy_Your_Win t1_ith0awf wrote
Well unfortunately (and I mean that 100% seriously) there are a lot of people like me who just can’t be bothered with the environment. I don’t have a good rationale for not caring, I just have so many other things going on in my life that I care about more. Maybe I’m just selfish and don’t care about how my actions affect future generations. 🤷♂️
b4ngl4d3sh t1_ith1yei wrote
It's the human condition man, we are an inherently selfish species, i can't hold that against you.
It just irks me because environmentalism goes hand in hand with almost all of my hobbies(bird watching, wildlife photography, hiking, etc). It's a passion of mine and what I've seen over the past 10 years or so is enough to make me weep.
Enjoy_Your_Win t1_ith2xez wrote
The way I like to think of humanity is that we are inherently good but inherently selfish at the same time. We want what’s best for others - as long as it doesn’t negatively affect ourselves. We primarily care about ourselves and our in-group, also known as our “tribe” which could be anything from your family, friend group, race, sex, political party, etc.
And the funny thing is that even though I’m aware of this, I still fall victim to it. In this case my “tribe” is my generation and possibly the generation after me who will be somewhat affected by climate change but will ultimately be dead when the real consequences start happening.
b4ngl4d3sh t1_ith3sdx wrote
I feel the same, it's the duality of man. The whole god and the devil dynamic. We can be the most kind, yet most cruel species on this rock. Most of us are concerned with surviving the money crunch, it's out of our hands to fix everything.
I'm already sold on the idea that it's gonna get a lot worse before it gets better, within my lifetime, at least (38yo). The hope is i live to see things start swinging in a positive direction before i shuffle off.
Dr_smell t1_itgvvhx wrote
Did you reply to your own comment?
b4ngl4d3sh t1_itgw44f wrote
Yea, i kinda wanted to understand why my opinion was deemed controversial, not that it really matters in the grand scheme of things, lol. Just curiosity.
Dr_smell t1_itgx7m5 wrote
Because you are immediately dismissive and gaslighting.
>"Calm down man... all this dude was clean up plastic litter."
Everyone is calm, and he didn't "clean up" litter, he's a republican official who oversees the election and is interfering with it by removing Democrat signs only. If he removed every sign from every candidate, that would be different. But he didn't. Your dismissive comment is controversial because you're saying that we're unreasonable to think its worth paying attention to.
Super_guccure t1_ith30ui wrote
Bingo, but this dingleberry knows what they’re doing.
b4ngl4d3sh t1_itgxyox wrote
I was being flippant because this is such a non issue, it's braindead, it's obnoxious and maybe a minor misdemeanor, but it is nowhere near approaching deeply concerning. I guess i was caught up on the language of the title. I apologize if it was perceived as gas lighting. My intention was to take a lighthearted jab at the obvious dramatized language.
Dr_smell t1_itgzc2s wrote
I disagree. While you're hung up on the fact that maybe some the signs he removed were possibly constructed from plastic, you're missing out on the fact that a Republican who works for the government to count the votes for the upcoming election is manipulating what you see from Democrats running in this election.
You can go ahead and think paying attention to that is "flippant, a non issue, braindead, obnoxious, and not concerning" but I think our elected officials who are paid with our tax money and oversee the integrity of our elections should not be out ripping up the signs of the opposing political party, and the fact that he did is a big deal and a sign of more election interfearence to come.
b4ngl4d3sh t1_ith1gn9 wrote
Some, maybe? Lol. They're definitely majority plastic trash. That can't be argued. Them signs have to go.
There are studies out there confirming most voters vote along party lines and that the effectiveness of roadside signs are dubious at best. I'll save my deep concern for gerrymandering and the like. This, as i said, is bad optics, vaguely concerning and probably something that, in a just society, would be handled internally as a chewing out.
Dr_smell t1_ith2nuc wrote
I don't care what studies say. I care what tax payer funded GOP elected officials do with freedom of speech and fair elections. Hopefully you don't have anything on your lawn, plastic or not, that Tim Troast doesn't agree with, because NJ GOP and you both appear to support his actions to remove whatever he finds irrelevant.
b4ngl4d3sh t1_ith33d8 wrote
Eh, fair enough, agree to disagree. I don't put garbage on my lawn, that gets disposed of depending on it's ability to be recycled. Regardless, I'm part of the working class, i don't really have much of a lawn, and if you had to sort Amazon parcels for a living, you'd be concerned about plastic waste as well.
Dr_smell t1_ith4ppf wrote
I refuse to use Amazon
b4ngl4d3sh t1_ith502i wrote
Hey! There's something we can agree on. I've yet to purchase anything from them and use none of their services. I didn't chose to move their parcels either, my employer decided to sign a contract to move their plastic waste on our planes.
Dr_smell t1_ithdn4e wrote
Yeah man, its such a waste of material and energy. And I don't like how they treat their employees and prevent them from unionizing. I also find that not having an amazon account prevents me from buying useless stuff I do not need.
b4ngl4d3sh t1_ithegq9 wrote
Yup, every night we sort four or five 53 footers worth of plastic garbage packed in plastic and paper waste. It's not ideal or sustainable. Their treatment of their employees is a whole other dystopian thread!
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