>Card recipients did not get COVID-19 vaccines, though some parents requested that their children receive saline shots instead so they would believe they did, court documents said.

And they're lying to their kids?

That is really messed up, so the kids go and think they are vaxed and are not. Thats pretty dangerous to their kids, kids friends, etc.

Before I deleted Twitter, the ones faking vaccine cards and giving saline shots were considered heroes to conservatives. These guys will be idolized by many, which is incredibly sad.

Is there not enough money in plastic surgery in SLC?

Is Mormon Jesus anti-vax?

What about space Jesus

I guess they all like to look all mormany

The Jesus health care plan is rubbing mud in the eyes to cure blindness, and raising the dead. Not a lot of preventative measures at work.

How is he still licensed by the State? You'd think he'd at least be suspended. Regardless of parental consent. The ethics behind lying to a patient about what is being injected into their body is such a gross violation of ethics it's staggering. Hope some of these kids find out through the lawsuit, turn 18, and class action this guy into the ground.

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I hope they all sue their parents too cause that is such a breach.

So losing his medical license and business was worth it to 'stick it to libs'?

Imagine the piece of trash parent you have to be to force your child to get a fake shot.

Unbelievable someone would do this. This guy needs to go to prison for life.

Not merely lying, but performing fake medical procedures. That's ill-informed consent

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We now have an opportunity for some great studies involving 1,900 people it would seem...

They got the placebo

Unrelated but I lived in that place for too long and it made me depressed never move there

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I through a very tenuous connection skied with this douche nozzle's kid at Alta two years ago. This guy drove his Lamborghini up the snowy pass to the mountain to pick up the kid. Guessing he wasn't hurting for money and is more of a zealot. Heres to hoping he gets prison time for this shit.

The control group is quite large already. It isn't like the people who refuse to get vaccinated generally change their behavior to be more safe.

I am pretty sure that I gave him an Uber ride to go pick up his Lamborghini a few years ago. Looking up the address of his business (based on info in the article) and learning he drove a Lambo (based on your post), I remember picking up the plastic surgeon from this place and taking him downtown to pick up his Lambo from a dealership.

No, the Church is actually very pro-vaccine much to the chagrin of the far right. It’s very strongly encouraged and even in the official handbook.

If potential missionaries refuse vaccines, they’re not allowed to leave the US. They also regularly donate to charities that provide vaccinations globally.

Any idea who “donations to a specified charitable organization” might be?

Most members are conservatives as much as they are Mormons.

Right, but they’re not all far right. An example is the dichotomy of Utah’s senators. Romney and Lee don’t like/endorse each other and represent the different parts of Utah.

But there are very liberal members who were/are high profile: see Harry Reid.

Not surprised this happened in Utah

As an ex-mo, here’s some info: there’s something called, “lying for the lord”. The leaders won’t teach it outright. they believe in god’s morals not society’s.

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Sounds more like the Republican Way with a major in religious nonsense.

Hopefully he loses his medical license once convicted.

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So these kids are still in the care of their lunatic toxic apparently extremely rich dipshit parents.

Not unbelievable in the slightest. This is Utah.

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Yes! Everybody stay away. And go skiing in Colorado.

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Why was a plastic surgeon giving out covid cards? I feel like this is well outside their expertise and they shouldn't be allowed to do this

Exmo here confirming this.

They will be made martyrs

I bet they really read the book to them.

Are vaccine cards still a thing?

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Um, what? Immunizations very much serve a purpose in reducing severity of illness!

Not everything can be combated permanently from a vaccine, but the purpose is to keep people from dying.

You know, like how smart people get an annual flu shot?

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Yea but they are old too. Old dead people don't give the church money.

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> Card recipients did not get COVID-19 vaccines, though some parents requested that their children receive saline shots instead so they would believe they did, court documents said.

I mean, are we even the same species as these people anymore?

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I have a feeling this guy wasn't following protocols enough to be able to use his data...

Because the vaccines still significantly reduce the spread along with almost entirely eliminating the chance of serious illness or death.

Those "useless" vaccines have saved more than a million lives in the US alone.

Are they LDS?

1. vaccines keep people out of hospitals and keep them from being overwhelmed

2. they prevent death

3. they reduce spread

4. HE FORGED MEDICAL DOCUMENTS WHICH IS ALWAYS ILLEGAL

It's a cosmetic surgeon giving out cosmetic vaccine cards. I expected as much.

https://www.hopkinsmedicine.org/health/conditions-and-diseases/coronavirus/covid-long-haulers-long-term-effects-of-covid19

Imagine taking moral advice from Scrooge

Think of others you selfish prick or go live in a cave far from society.

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Greed is a funny thing.

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Ask these cards even used for anything?

The greed and stupidity of these people is unbelievable.

Not all plastic surgeons are vapid money hungry stereotypical wackos that were smart enough to pass Med School.

There are many plastic surgeons who help with (what insurance should classify as) legit medical procedures like helping burn victims etc.

So the ones who are decent human beings & doctors trying to hp out people, totally are educated enough to help with a massive vaccination campaign.

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That depends entirely on what you consider enough money.

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A plastic surgeon doing something unethical?

Yeah, we're all shocked.

However you feel about vaccines, he engaged in medical fraud.

No, worse. Their kids will be. Most of these parents are of an age that means they're almost certainly up on their basic vaccines.

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Honestly that makes sense. Doctor whose whole profession is to fake things.

You think nobody is denying the vaccine has saved lives?? Lmfao there are imbeciles on this very hellsite claiming the vaccine has already killed everyone who’s taken it!

Can you elaborate a bit on why it sucked? Is it the Mormons or some combination of other factors?

Incidentally I had a friend who ended his life who had been living there for a few years at the time of his decision..

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Current mo. Never heard of this. Also what? The prophet literally issued a statement telling people to get vaxed which people ignored citing ‘personal revelation.’ It’s not the church telling them to fake vaccine cards.

I get that, but ER surgeons have no business administering vaccines either. There emergency order that went out that basically allowed all pharmacy techs to administer vaccines drastically increased number of people and locations where people could get them. I wouldn't go to the er for a vaccine for covid, nor would an error surgeon do this. Any nurse or other ward doctor would do this.

I feel like anyone outside of the expanded group that was already doing vaccines should have been as need and closely monitored.

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Conservative stupidity affecting citizen’s daily lives.

He probably has a date to go in front of the medical licensing board. They may wait until after his trial.

If course it matters. It is fraud and medical malpractice. Healthcare workers largely have to be vaxxed. If you end up in the ER you vax status matters a lot.

Plus you are wrong. Obviously the vaccines have almost stopped spread or we would still have overflowing hospitals and businesses closed because all the employees are sick. The vaccines do prevent infection in varying degrees of effectiveness. No infection means no transmission. They also mean shorter illness with less viral load which is less transmission. Your post is dangerous disinformation

Because it has stopped the spread. It would be nice if people stopped acting like the vaccines never prevent infection, because they do. Even though 50% is not ZERO. Source: I and half of my family have not had covid. My vaxxed son had 2 roommates get covid 2 weeks ago, he did not. My daughter works retail, fully vaxxed, no covid.

It is small IF YOU ARE FULLY VAXXED

Many healthy young people have died from covid, including children. And many are now permanently disabled from it.

Mostly we dont care anymore if stupid people decimate their numbers. But we do find it disgusting when you kill the elderly or disable children for life. And we will all carry the tax burden of supporting the covid disabled for life. But we arent paying for your hospital bills or funerals anymore

And putting them at risk

The issue here is fraud and medical malpractice

Of course. These are legal medical records. My 4th vax got written up on a 2nd card. If you end up in the ER or try to travel to other countries this information is required.

I haven’t been required to provide mine in at the very least a year. I go overseas and still not required. If you were to tell me to show you my card right now…. I don’t even know where it is. And I’ve been to urgent care at least 3 times in the last 18 months. Broken bones and stitches though nothing respiratory or illness related.

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This POS should permanently lose his liberty.

You dont need them for admittance into venues anymore but that could change. Recent covid outbreaks at large events are an issue. And some countries require vax for entry. Diagnosis of illnesses and treatments can require your vax history. Regardless of how necessary they still are they are legal medical documents. If anyone with those fake cards dies of misdiagnosis the scumbag dr is liable

This makes sense! I don’t stay on top of news unless I’m headed out, then I watch global news to see what’s going on where I’m headed.

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I love SLC and miss it a lot…

I can see a gofund me in the future to help the poor plastic surgeons.

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I know 2021 was like 7 years ago, but around me they were getting anyone they could that had any medical background to help out b/c things were still that bad

So normal times sure, in the middle of a pandemic emergency, all hands on deck

But also, fuck this guy

I mean I think anyone who can give a shot was qualified. My wife’s an ICU RN and did optional OT to work at the vaccine clinic.

Honestly I thought plastic surgery was one of the hardest paths of doctor to enter so I’m sure they’re more than qualified. People are just money hungry but it’s no surprise. Wife got offers to take the vaccine too. Wife’s own amazing sister tried to convince her to fake it for her friends in her reserve unit or whatever for like 1k a person. I mean I get it that’d be some very fast money but yea wifes smarter than that and would be jeopardizing not only her career as an RN but I’m sure any chances of getting a DEA license as an NP in the future.

Wrong. It was to prevent hospitalization, death, and taxing the healthcare system/workers.

This is the hill you’re going to die on?

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That was literally never the point. The point was to reduce hospitalizations and death, which it did very, very effectively. Then we learned it also helps reduce spread and said great, another benefit even if it wasn’t planned! At no point did anyone connected to the vaccines say they would stop the virus from spreading, at most they said the vaccine helps reduce the spread.

Think about it, why would anyone consider a Plastic Surgeon as the go-to person to get a Covid vaccination? Or is that only for the wealthy clients? Needs to lose license. IMO

I think the initial pfizer study was like 42k people (I can't remember if that was 42,000 placebo and 42,000 vaccine, or if it was 21,000 placebo and 21,000 vaccine).

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I agree fuck this guy. I live about an hour west of DC, and Virginia by and large didn't have this issue until nurses started quitting due to vaccine mandates. Obviously I can't speak to other states, but I feel like plastic surgeons (and really surgeons in general) should be last on the list of people called for this job.

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I wasn't saying he's not qualified, every doctor goes through giving stuff like this in med school, I just think that when you are looking at people to call to give vaccinations, surgeons should be last on that list of medical providers. Hell, I'd get paramedics to do it before I'd call a surgeon.

Oh okay yea that’s fair. Elective surgeries were all canceled for a while at a lot of hospitals. Mostly the ICUs and ERs with all the vent patients were the ones that were nutty. It was less surgeon and more anyone that works with vents like respiratory therapist or the nurses that are there 24/7 with the patient.

Since he wasn’t really practicing regular medicine I wouldn’t be surprised if they were hurting business wise during peak pandemic. The worst part is I’m sure they were getting paid by insurance for the vaccines.

I forgot about canceling "elective" surgeries. I put that in quotes because someone I know who needed a kidney, but wasn't near the point of dieing from renal failure, was told elective surgeries were cancelled and they needed to wait.

I agree with the delay, but also see the counterpoint that it's not really elective like getting a new knee because of knee pain.

Back on topic, that makes more sense why this guy was even in this sphere. Probably had nothing better to do. Too bad he wasn't like that Spanish doctor that took payment to give "saline injections" but feared getting found out and gave the actual injections instead.

Yeah I was on there yesterday and many of the comments about this story were people going on about how brave he was.

Which is just absurd - let's say (in some fantasyland) the vaccine is actually poison - then the brave thing to do is say "I won't give it" and make a stink at the risk of your personal income and medical license. Pretending to give it in return for cash is just fraud. Cowardly AF....

lol Utah's plastic surgery market is pretty lucrative, they love being fake here.

Kids: “When I grow up….” Antivax parents “Hold it right there!”

Current mo here confirming this.

Only if you want to be a cat

They are intentionally giving Covid aid and comfort and setting up places where it can live, grow, mutate, and prepare for its next attack. They might as well let the Taliban stay in their basements.

Yea it was a bad situation for everyone but they needed max hands on the floor. My wife told me at one point 3 patients coded at the same time. Each time a person codes that involves like a dozen people trying to revive them. Iirc protocol is CPR for like 20-30 minutes and it’s labor intensive so people swap off.

Haven’t heard of the spanish doctor. That sounds hilarious. I wonder if people had symptoms after the vaccine because mine sure did hit different.

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1st example: nephi kills Laban to steal the brass plates that rightfully belonged to Laban.

2nd example: jo marries a 14 year old because an angel with a drawn flaming sword commanded him to.

3rd: we need you to talk to the news about a bigoted proposition. 30 seconds before my TV interview the PR guy tells me, “don’t mention the church” then hangs up.

lying for the lord.

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If you read the article, it very-much sounds like money was a secondary motivator, the first being their desire to, “liberate the medical profession from government and industry conflicts of interest”, as it's quoted. Normally I wouldn't take this on face value, but it says they sold the fake vaccine-cards for "either $50 cash payments or 'donations to a specified charitable organization' ". So it really does sound like these people were delusional enough to think they were doing something righteous.

Lose your medical license for $97k, as a plastic surgeon? What an idiot.

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There's a fuckton of money in cosmetic surgery here. My best friend from HS's dad does plastic surgery here and I can assure you there is enough money to go around lol

It's a great plan if you have a Jesus around. Dont need preventative medicine when he can just touch you and fix your terminal issue or even revive you like a video game.

But Jesus died a while back so I don't get why these idiots still act like he'll be around to slap them back to life

Any doctor can perform medicine, write prescriptions, etc. The are licensed to practice medicine, just bc they choose to specialize in cosmetic surgery and do that doesn't make it illegal or unethical for them to do something else.

If you are a pediatrician and your friend asks you to refer them to a specialist for another issue so they dont have to waste time waiting for an appt with your primary care doctor would you say that's a problem?

How is their profession to fake things? They edit peoples' appearance. If you get a nose job, your nose is actually changed.

What you described is photoshop. And who the fuck are you to judge people who want to change their appearance? Let people live their own lives, it doesn't affect you

I understand that, but most surgeons never give these types of injections after leaving medical school. It's not particularly hard, and you could probably train a child to do it, but my question was more geared towards why we're they even doing it in the first place. I forgot about all of the elective surgeries being cancelled.

Never said it was a good plan.

If the rest of us are lucky.

I didn't say it was illegal or unethical for them, just why was a surgeon even doing this. I forgot about the elective surgeries being cancelled until another user brought it up.

To your second question, that's not pertinent to the discussion, but no I don't have a problem with that.

Im cool with it. The more people who strictly adhere to it, the fewer of those kinds of people there will be in the future to deal with lol

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COVID is statistically NO risk to children.

Okay but like you made up the term and fit some examples around it. Also can you defend the other point where you claimed that they’re faking vaccines and their card for the Lord in the face of what I pointed out?

Just look at the conservative subreddit. Almost every comment on this story on that sub is praising this and calling him a hero. They're psychopaths.

Someone is majorly triggered. Everything you said is projected. I merely made a joke. Lmfao.

I am showing that the culture of that church is to ignore society’s morals if you believe you’re on god’s side. We have agreed to live in a society with common rules. Those that don’t want to should leave.

Same goes for people that think it’s ok to steal because their ancestor stole a nail from the cross to reduce Jesus’ pain. (Gypsys)

Plus, I didn’t make it up. I learned that phrase in the culture of the church decades ago. And joe taught it to the pillaging group stealing from the gentiles in nauvoo.