Submitted by Darth_Monkey t3_111dn7v in nyc
George4Mayor86 t1_j8e2j15 wrote
Struck by a UHaul? Wow, it’s amazing how a truck did that with nobody driving it.
mowotlarx t1_j8e56u7 wrote
It's sick how we dehumanize crimes committed by drivers. It's important to say a DRIVER hit someone, the car didn't do it on its own.
throws_rocks_at_cars t1_j8e8jrd wrote
>Glock 19 Gen 3 9mm shoots 12 people in Gotham
A headline that would justifiably enrage everyone. Why is it different for other dangerous inanimate objects?
SumyungNam t1_j8gp7lb wrote
/s Yes ban U-Hauls and make U-Haul free zone makes everyone safer
George4Mayor86 t1_j8e5b4w wrote
Exactly.
downonthesecond t1_j8eq6wb wrote
We don't want to upset car owners.
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elizabeth-cooper t1_j8e8hmh wrote
You don't know that.
In this particular case it definitely looks deliberate, but generally speaking when there's a car accident it's not for the newspaper to determine whether it was deliberate, careless, a medical event, or mechanical failure.
It's important for newspapers not to print libel and things that are false.
Edit: Not to mention that when journalists report breaking news, they likely don't have all the facts.
But this sub: A DRIVER? INNOCENT UNTIL PROVEN GUILTY? NEVER HEARD OF IT. GET THE PITCHFORKS BOYS.
thebruns t1_j8ebuto wrote
> but generally speaking when there's a car accident it's not for the newspaper to determine whether it was deliberate, careless, a medical event, or mechanical failure.
And yet youre calling it an accident which sounds like you're determining no one was at fault.
elizabeth-cooper t1_j8ed3io wrote
I'm not writing a newspaper article, I'm writing a Reddit post.
thebruns t1_j8edfms wrote
> It's important for newspapers not to print libel and things that are false.
This is what you said. What you said it wrong.
"Driver hits multiple pedestrians" is a statement of fact.
cdavidg4 t1_j8eajzs wrote
Stating that a driver in a u-haul hit someone doesn't denote guilt or state anything false. It's merely accurate reporting.
elizabeth-cooper t1_j8eb856 wrote
You're not allowed to hit people with your car.
Journo: John hit someone with his car.
Not denoting guilt? Really?
And you don't know that it wasn't mechanical failure or a medical event, therefore it may be false.
cdavidg4 t1_j8ecf4l wrote
Intentionally, unintentionally, following a mechanical failure, after suffering a medical episode.
These are all additional statements and don't change the base statement that a driver hit someone with their car. Which is accurate in all of the above scenarios.
elizabeth-cooper t1_j8edh1y wrote
That's just not how any of this works. They can't write headlines like that. They could write, "John allegedly hit pedestrian with car" but that's not a fact.
"Person hit by car" is a fact.
"John allegedly hit person with his car" is speculation.
newestindustry t1_j8eq8jx wrote
So would it be appropriate for me to say "you have chosen the dumbest hill possible to die on", or would i need an "allegedly" in there?
thebruns t1_j8f03tm wrote
It's a fascinating example of "im not owned! im not owned!!", i continue to insist as i slowly shrink and transform into a corn cob to start the week off.
cdavidg4 t1_j8eef5v wrote
A different scenario. A 6 year shoots his father with a gun.
Under your thinking, the headline should read "Father shot with gun" and not "6 year old shoots father with gun" as that's speculative.
We don't know intensions or if somehow the gun went off accidently or missfired or a strong gust of wind did it. A non-passive headline with all parties noted is more accurate.
elizabeth-cooper t1_j8ef2w1 wrote
They write headlines like that all the time.
>Father of three shot dead after getting caught in hotel gunfight on visit to son’s college
Shot dead by a gun not being held by a person?????
Obviously not.
cdavidg4 t1_j8efnel wrote
And they also use the headline "Drive hits pedestrian" all the time.
https://www.denverpost.com/2023/01/08/denver-driver-hits-four-pedestrians-sidewalk-downtown/
So your statement that they "can't write headlines like that" is obviously false.
elizabeth-cooper t1_j8eg2q2 wrote
They're quoting the police, which is very different than making their own determination.
>Driver hits four pedestrians on sidewalk in downtown Denver, police say
cdavidg4 t1_j8egvl5 wrote
It's doesn't state intent or guilt so how is it different? It simply states fact.
SleepyStreetNoisy t1_j8efiuy wrote
Youre not allowed to INTENTIONALLY hit someone with your car. But if its an accident and youre changing the radio station then the police let you go scott free typically in nyc.
ComeOnPelicanFly t1_j8ec83e wrote
Have you seen the video of the guy jumping out of the way? Pretty clear he was being aimed at by this piece of shit.
elizabeth-cooper t1_j8ed18p wrote
>In this particular case it definitely looks deliberate, but generally speaking
>Edit: Not to mention that when journalists report breaking news, they likely don't have all the facts.
nonlawyer t1_j8ecbv5 wrote
Come on, no sane person would read this headline and reach this conclusion.
Describing the vehicles involved in a collision is standard because you generally don’t know the identity of the driver(s) immediately and saying the “driver of a red SUV struck the driver of a blue Mazda” is slightly wordier. It’s not some conspiracy.
Honestly, quibbling about headline word choice when a bunch of people are injured and possibly fighting for their lives is just super gross
elizabeth-cooper t1_j8eegsh wrote
It's a meme opinion and virtue signaling.
mowotlarx t1_j8eocad wrote
"Meme opinion." Ok.
When someone is shot, do the headlines say "man shot by gun" or do they say "man shot by [insert human being]? You know the answer. Car culture is a death cult, for real.
bklyn1977 t1_j8ex8v7 wrote
If the headline says 'man shot' I am thinking gun not crossbows or peashooters.
elizabeth-cooper t1_j8ep2d2 wrote
Yeah, I know the answer because someone thought of this already and I already answered them. When someone is shot you don't even have to say "by a gun" because you can't get shot by a knife.
>Father of three shot dead after getting caught in hotel gunfight on visit to son’s college
Plays_On_TrainTracks t1_j8hadmc wrote
You're softer then cashmere
wewladdies t1_j8emty6 wrote
??? What even is the point of this comment lmao. Like im legitimately curious what point you are trying to make
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jersey_girl660 t1_j8ez61j wrote
If you interpret the headline as that I’m legitimately concerned. No shit a driver was behind the wheel. Thanks captain obvious
bklyn1977 t1_j8eqs1a wrote
We know vehicles are operated by people. For a headline you get the quick factual details out. The story changes when you say pedestrians struck by a rickshaw or struck by a truck.
Once they have a suspect for the driver they can add it in the body of the article.
It's not some conspiracy.
Scout-Penguin t1_j8fmhxh wrote
What do you suggest?
"Struck by a U-Haul truck, that was being driven by a person"? "Stuck by a person driving a U-Haul truck"? Do we seriously believe that either of these communicate the facts better than "struck by a U-Haul truck"?
George4Mayor86 t1_j8fn4vq wrote
The NYTimes headline, “man driving UHaul truck strikes multiple pedestrians in Brooklyn” seems to cover it.
bklyn1977 t1_j8fw4vy wrote
The headline was changed when a suspect was named. Even the headline in the linked article here is updated:
'8 struck, possibly intentionally, by man driving U-Haul truck in Brooklyn'
spoil_of_the_cities t1_j8eiaxq wrote
It would be pretty weird to be struck by a driver. Like the driver got thrown out through the windshield and collided with a pedestrian. Could happen, but usually I think people are struck by the vehicle
karmapuhlease t1_j8ekflh wrote
Do people get shot by bullets, or shot by other people who use guns?
spoil_of_the_cities t1_j8etoks wrote
If we say "bullets struck John" that seems pretty clear. If we say "a person struck John" that sounds like a fistfight.
karmapuhlease t1_j8ewxze wrote
"Bob shot John with a handgun" versus "John was struck by bullets fired by a handgun"
HEIMDVLLR t1_j8ehf4z wrote
Sorry but none of us would react the same if we heard a Smart car jumped the curb and hit a crowd of people.
Matter fact what if it was a self-driving ride-share vehicle like Waymo?
kraftpunkk t1_j8e9raj wrote
So triggered by a headline.
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