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Gosh, NY Post why do you think that is? Because poor people get crushed financially first? And then wealthy swoop and pick up the deals?

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I’m sorry you’re getting downvoted. On a math level, this is probably a significant factor as the average housing occupancy is higher the lower the household income.

Is there another paper in the world that hates its namesake city as much as the Post?

If the census numbers are accurate, how is this "hateful"? Should we just shrug? Should we not care? Or should we ask ourselves why people are leaving and try to come up with ways to ensure that it doesn't happen?

The result of all these people leaving NYC? Housing crisis!

It's getting expensive in Queens too ... God queens used to be affordable but now we're getting priced up. Even in bumfuck college point prices are rising, and mind you that place is middle of nowhere ... folks don't even know it exists!

The population of Manhattan went up. Seems like a pretty good indication that the rich are getting richer and the poor are getting poorer and can no longer afford to live here with the pitiful amount of housing stock left for middle class and lower income people.

No one cares about regular people leaving the city. They only care about the rich. Fine let the city be just the obscene wealth and the destitute poor. See how nice that works for you. No regular folks left to open regular businesses and do regular jobs that we take for granted. Tell me how fun that is. Peace ✌️ out

Maybe you should read the part of the article that talks about possible reasons for the demographic change

I read it. I live here. That's how I know it's based on old info too. Since the last census, the population has EXPLODED with foreigners. My neighborhood is booked solid with new folks.

The article is about what happened in 2022. The last census took place in 2020.

People on this sub insisted that the boroughs were thriving because locals got to stay home in the new work from home era. Truth is, the outer boroughs also relied on people from the suburbs to support their economy (as well as jobs in the city). It's going to be a rough transition, even though obviously WFH is something most people justifiably want if they have the opportunity. Population loss in each of the boroughs is not indicativeof "thriving" if you ask me.

The data is skewed. It only counts "foreign" or "international" arrivals. THAT'S typical of Post reporting.

The data is not skewed. It's literally from the census.

https://www.census.gov/newsroom/press-releases/2023/population-estimates-counties.html

Numbers are numbers. I don't fault that. For the Post say "foreign" or "international" arrivals sounds like it's missing people from other states. I fault the Post for that bs spin they put on it. The Post skewed it.

So you are making an assumption that the population went down in the outer boroughs because.... The restaurants and coffee shops aren't doing as well as some people say they are? Please explain how you made this jump.

It's equally likely that people left because it's not worth it to commute to Manhattan everyday from those boroughs when the rent is so fucking high and the housing stock is so low.

It's not spin. The point is that NYC is always losing population to domestic out-migration. Usually that population is replenished by immigrants.

But it has not been.

People like you are incapable of understanding that multiple factors can be in play. I didn't say that its solely driven by WFH. I'm saying that's probably a contributing factor.

A lot of jobs in the city relied on lower income and middle income people commuting in from the outer boroughs. People with clerical jobs, working in retail, white-collar jobs that still require you to be physically in person. When these jobs go, it becomes harder to afford living in the increasingly expensive boroughs.

My point still stands. The idea on reddit was that the boroughs are thriving and Manhattan has suffered. Based on the population counts, it looks like its been the opposite. Losing population is not my idea of thriving.

Population count is not the same as well in a borough. Brooklyn is the largest borough but Manhattan has the most millionaires in billionaires. Not working in an office in Manhattan is not the reason why people in Brooklyn and Queens are having issues affording to live here.

Fewer job opportunities obviously affects affordability. There are two sides to the equation. The cost of living and the income to live there.

That’s a big if for the accuracy of the census numbers. Prior to 2020, I assume they used the same or similar methodology for estimating population flows. When the 2020 census was done, where someone actually is knocking on doors and every household is filling out paperwork they had clearly undercounted for years.

Fewer job opportunities where? In Manhattan? Where people being paid minimum wage are paying $2.75 minimum each way to commute from outer boroughs? To make rent for apartments that don't exist in their price range?

Okay, if the job opportunities in Manhattan are so awful, why aren't they finding equivalent job opportunities in the outer boroughs and continuing to live there?

> It's equally likely that people left because it's not worth it to commute to Manhattan everyday from those boroughs when the rent is so fucking high and the housing stock is so low.

I think its more like tons of office workers no longer have to commute to Manhattan every day so why bother living in expensive NYC when you can work from home in a quiet suburb with good schools and easy parking and cheaper houses. Then there's less need for stores and restaurants in Manhattan so the people in the outerboroughs who did work those jobs in Manhattan don't need to be here anymore either.

Talk to anyone who leaves NYC and they'll tell you the reason.

No, it's not "taxes" or "oppression" or "crime" or whatever nonsense FoxNews and the Post push regularly. It's housing costs. That's it. We've added a shit ton of jobs over the last 10 years and almost no housing.

All the ppl fighting Hochul's Housing Compact plan need to fucking ask themselves: where the heck do you think your kids will live? Do you think they're gonna live down the street? Or are they gonna have to move to CT or NJ (which have added a lot more housing)? Or do you not give a shit cuz you already have plans to leave?

This quote from the mayor of Bellerose in Long Island shows this craziness the best:

> BELLEROSE MAYOR KENNETH MOORE hopes that his three adult children who live with him will be able to move out on their own soon.

> “Believe me, nothing would give me more satisfaction than if they were to say ‘Hey Dad, we’re moving out,’” he said of his kids, ages 30, 27, and 23. “But they just can’t afford it yet.”

> Moore also opposes adding any new housing in Bellerose, where home prices regularly approach $1 million and building new housing has been banned since 1976. With excellent schools and a half-hour commute to downtown Manhattan, it’s a highly desirable place to live — and an exclusive one.

> “We don’t want to change the laws and we don’t want housing,” Moore told New York Focus.

Seriously, this is nuts. I love how he says "yet". The "kid" is 30, what does "yet" mean?

No one who takes the post seriously is also serious about actual solutions to any of this.

It’s appalling that both sides of the aisle in the legislature are opposing that plan which doesn’t even go far enough as it is. It’s shameful that we don’t build more. I’ll hold on to my sort of run down yet rent stabilized apartment as long as possible because lol not like in middle age w a good job I can afford a house without an inheritance at this point.