djn24 t1_iym4ua0 wrote
Reply to comment by SoulfulYam in Morgan Stanley finally lures bankers back to the office 5 days a week by smallint
I go into the office 1 or 2 times a week, and they are my least productive days by far.
It's mostly meetings that could have been done remotely and bullshitting with coworkers I don't see very often.
My employer definitely gets less for their money for my work on those days.
SoulfulYam t1_iym5g9b wrote
My company is run by a bunch of old farts who: "cAn'T wOrK wItH pEoPlE tHaT dOn'T cOmE tO tHe OfFiCe." They have absolutely no interest in remote work and refuse to even try to see the value of it so everyone else has to suffer for their refusal to do so.
I'm already in a bad depressive episode right now and my excruciating long commute isn't helping as it is.
djn24 t1_iym6c2y wrote
Part of what makes that frustrating is that we all know they aren't being honest with their reasons. Most of us were fine working from home when it wasn't safe to come in, so that's BS.
It just feels like they have to justify managers and rent.
Most people that are given the choice about how often or even if they come in seem much happier doing so than people that are forced to come in. But these doofuses don't understand that.
SoulfulYam t1_iym6txo wrote
That's definitely true. I also think it's the "corporate logic" that if you aren't physically watching your employees, they won't get any work done. This is hilarious to me because I've learned it is INSANELY easy to pretend like you're getting work done and they won't even notice.
djn24 t1_iym94au wrote
A big part of that is because most of us can get our work done in less time than we're given to do it.
Our incentives change when working from home, so instead of just figuring out how to stretch out 40 hours of work--where there's very little reward for getting done early, now we're trying to get it done as quickly as possible so we can enjoy the rest of our time 🤷♂️
joyousRock t1_iymr8vc wrote
yeah, you're "suffering" because you have to commute into an office. what a sick, twisted form of torture it must be to have to leave your home and travel somewhere to work!
SoulfulYam t1_iymtrrb wrote
Bro shut the fuck up. Unlike your privileged ass, some of us can't afford to live in Manhattan and we don't have the privilege of having commutes <1 hour. My commute takes 1.5 hours one way at best and on a REALLY bad day it can take me more than 2 hours and I don't exactly have much of a choice because the job market is trash where I live. It's even more infuriating that I'm wasting all this time for a job where I literally don't physically need to be there to get it done.
I have way more mental health issues than just this obviously, not that someone with as little empathy as you would care. However if you can't see why this would be exhausting and mentally draining then you must have your head so far up your own ass that you're choking on your morning breakfast. What was even the point of your dumbass comment? What point are you trying to make?
joyousRock t1_iyn27nh wrote
Hmm if the job market is trash where you live then sounds like you do need to travel to where the jobs are. people have been doing it for many decades. you want the nice NYC job but think you shouldn't have to leave your house for it?
I lived in Central NJ when I first started my career and had a 1.5 hour commute each way, 5x per week. It was a grind but I did it. eventually I moved to nyc. This wasn't a "privilege" granted to me but a choice I made and worked for. That word is so easy to throw around and make it sound like you're some kind of victim but in reality you're just whining.
SoulfulYam t1_iyn95cq wrote
I live on Staten Island for the record.
Look I've read your comments on this post and it sounds to me like you have an extremely negative bias and skewed viewpoint on remote work. People aren't being lazy or sitting around in their pajamas all day. They simply don't see the purpose of having to waste time going to an office when there is literally no reason why they need to physically be there. People want to save as much time out of their day as possible and commuting eats up a lot of people's day.
Your question: "You want the nice NYC job, but you think you shouldn't have to leave your house for it?" is coming from an outdated belief and viewpoint on the working world and is just simply wrong. What I'm trying to say is that if a company wants me to physically be there to do the job, then there needs to be adequate justification as to why that is. If I'm working as a chef then yes, by all means I need to physically be in the kitchen making food. That's justified and makes sense. Currently, I'm working a job where everything I do is online and 98% of my communications are done via email/Microsoft Teams. There is literally no reason why I need to physically be there and my boss has no justifiable reason other than "It's what I want."
I am working hard to move closer to the city because it is what I want. The whole reason I took this job in the first place was to put me on a better career path that would eventually lead to a higher salary down the line. You need to stop looking at all this as people being "victims" or "whiney" and start asking yourself "Why is it this way to begin with?" You said you've essentially been in my position before with the long commute, but your argument that "I went through it so other people should too.", is flimsy as hell. That's like someone who's mentally ill and lived in the 70s saying: "I couldn't get proper mental health treatment when I was younger so other people shouldn't either."
All people want is a better quality of life and we should be as a society heading in a progressive direction that improves that quality for everyone involved. Many people feel remote work is a major quality of life enhancer. Have you honest to God never stopped and questioned why society is the way it is? The 1% have manipulated the way we live and think so heavily and not for our best interests. They want us to be poor. They want us to be miserable. They don't care about us and we should be pushing back on their bullshit.
damagecontrolparty t1_iyn6bjv wrote
Did you walk uphill both ways to school as well?
SoulfulYam t1_iynbgcy wrote
Fucking factsssssss. This dude is literally the embodiment of "Boomer mentality".
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