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Elevenst t1_iybiyfd wrote

Wouldn't it be the other way around? I mean, bats were here before metal.

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human2pt0 t1_iyblc1c wrote

Replying to Elevenst (#792,138)

Yeah but scientists understood the way death metal singers used their vocal chords before they discovered bats do the same thing.

Which is probably why it's worded that way, and not the other way around. Either way, toh-MAY-toh toh-MAH-toh

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IslandChillin OP t1_iybrov3 wrote

"Researchers at the University of Southern Denmark investigated the noise-making techniques of Daubenton’s bat, a small species of the winged mammal found across Europe and Asia. The study, published Tuesday in the journal PLOS Biology, focuses on the different structures of the larynx — also known as the voice box — that bats use to expand their vocal range.

Vocal communication is essential for bats: They famously use sound to navigate their surroundings and locate their prey in a process known as echolocation. The flying critters also use sounds to communicate socially.

And bats that use echolocation have an impressive, seven-octave vocal range to match their sound needs, the researchers said. By comparison, most mammals, including humans, have a vocal range of three to four octaves. Bats use extremely high-pitched sounds to echolocate, but employ low-pitched growls to communicate with each other."

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erykwelde t1_iyc0vnq wrote

So Christian Bale using the growly voice was correct all along? The more you know….

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tetractys_gnosys t1_iyc5knc wrote

Replying to [deleted] (#793,810)

I imagine they have similar vocal folds and equipment and the way metal vocalists use their equipment is similar. They don't have to have literally matching hardware to have similar features. Just like many animals have fingers and toes and we can compare how orangutans use tools to how we do.

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wglmb t1_iyc6za7 wrote

Replying to [deleted] (#793,810)

If you read the article it explains that bats and humans both have a structure called "false vocal folds" which can be used to make sounds as an alternative to the true vocal cords. These false vocal cords are what humans use to produce the growls in heavy metal (this has been known for a long time), and what bats use to vocalise (this has just been discovered).

Regarding your second point, if you think all research needs to be "for" something, then I can't help you.

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CoffeeandCare_me t1_iycb5ap wrote

That's so punk rock tf this makes me so happy hahaha

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contrabardus t1_iycf2hp wrote

Replying to [deleted] (#799,398)

That's worded oddly, so I can't tell if you're agreeing with me or not.

If you mean that the order can be inferred by the fact that bats have existed longer than death metal, then yes, that's true.

If not...

Context matters, and is more relevant than formal syntax in this case.

No reasonable person is going to think that someone is claiming bats somehow learned how to vocalize from Death Metal.

The order they are mentioned in doesn't matter, because it would be assumed by anyone with enough mental capacity to read and understand the sentence as an absurdity to think Death Metal existed before bats did.

It is just pointing out the similarities between the two, and order in this case does not imply that the first one mentioned predates the other.

EDIT: It's a like to like comparison, and not a cause and effect one. Which also makes the order irrelevant.

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Seth_Imperator t1_iycjs9w wrote

Isn't it the other way around...or did bat started to do that after hearing death metal singers?

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Zozorrr t1_iycukfs wrote

Replying to contrabardus (#792,632)

Irrelevant- temporally one was clearly first. So when comparing saying something is “the same as” the comparative order is implied. Poorly worded title.

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AnimatorJay t1_iycuwto wrote

Some native tribes/ early people also used false chords to amplify their messages across far distance, like on a hunt.

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DILDOS_UNITED t1_iycwhxt wrote

Replying to contrabardus (#800,376)

Actually the order does imply order, it’s the context that negates that implication. So yes, the order is inferred from the sentence but only if context is ignored.

Switching the sentence, “Death metal singers use the same techniques as bats to vocalise” implies they got their techniques from bats solely by the ordering of the words and this is made somewhat believable because it’s potentially true. Without context you’d be unable to infer from this ambiguous sentence wether it’s an objective statement about their vocalisation techniques or if they really learned it from bats. More context would be needed.

Worth noting that the implications of words/sentences are fairly subjective and especially ruined when argued about.

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Dreadzone666 t1_iycyg8r wrote

Hatebeak must be feeling pretty stupid right now.

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contrabardus t1_iycyqwg wrote

Replying to DILDOS_UNITED (#805,274)

Not true.

There is no implication that Death Metal singers learned their vocal methods from bats, only that they use the same kind of vocal technique.

The statement is that Death Metal vocalists learned to do the same thing bats do naturally, without influence from bats to learn. Not that one directly influenced the other.

That is a big reason why the order is irrelevant.

This is not a statement of cause and effect that links the two ideas as one leading to the other to begin with. It's a comparison of like to like.

It's "A" is the same as "B" and the order of "A" and "B" is irrelevant in that kind of statement.

It is not "A" caused "B" in which case order does matter.

The statement "I poured gravy on my mashed potatoes and it eroded a canyon into them, so it is like the Grand Canyon." does not imply that my mashed potatoes existed before the Grand Canyon did.

This is the exact same situation.

What you're suggesting is like saying that if I say that "Bats and Birds both use wings to fly", it suggests that Bats copied their wings from Birds, and that bats existed before birds did.

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contrabardus t1_iyd1rxa wrote

Replying to Zozorrr (#804,617)

False.

This is a like to like comparison, not a cause and effect one.

In like to like, order doesn't matter.

It's "A" is the same in some regard as "B" and the order of "A" and "B" is irrelevant in that kind of statement.

It is not "A" caused "B" in which case order does matter.

If I say oranges and limes are both citrus, it does not suggest that oranges came first, or that limes "learned how to be a citrus" from oranges. In either order the statement means the same thing.

This is the exact same situation.

What you're suggesting is like saying that if I say that "Bats and Birds both use wings to fly", it suggests that Bats copied their wings from Birds, and that bats existed before birds did.

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gellenburg t1_iyd550w wrote

I think you mean "death metal singers use the same techniques as bats to vocalize".

Pretty sure the bats were here first.

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sanias t1_iyd66zt wrote

Literally /r/NatureIsMetal

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kcbrew1576 t1_iyd85cd wrote

Replying to Lamacorn (#808,943)

You might be right. In all fairness, I don’t know that any of us can understand the special mind of Herschel Walker. He’s probably a half vampire/werewolf hybrid, or will be when he watches Underworld

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mcknightrider t1_iydb6ld wrote

Does this make bats more metal or metal singers more metal?

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kevboard t1_iydgmgt wrote

you could say that's metal ;)

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hextanerf t1_iydk2k3 wrote

It's the other way around

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anarchytecture t1_iydvtmo wrote

I have a feeling this sentence should've been other way round...

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Chewlafoo42 t1_iydy6ci wrote

"They didn’t directly observe the vocal cords vibrating or oscillating." just speculation

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SurfSideSlX t1_iye030j wrote

Death metal singers use the same techniques as bats to vocalize.

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jang859 t1_iyegjo1 wrote

Has the band name The Bats been taken?

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