Which communities have you found where people are both smart about what AI is and isn't currently capable of, but where everyone in there is convinced we'll have AI soon that's smarter than 95% of humans at all computer based tasks within a few years?

Submitted by TikkunCreation t3_124r62f in singularity

Which subreddits? This one?

Which discords?

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I'm finding that a lot of the smart communities like Hacker News have lots of people who understand tech, programming, and current capabilities, but most people don't seem to appreciate that within a few years GPT-N will be better at creating any piece of software (and many other things, too) better than just about all humans.

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And I'm finding that a lot of the hype communities have lots of people who are all in on the superintelligence idea, but they don't understand the current capabilities or AI progress enough and are less grounded in reality.

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Which communities have a nice blend of both – deep understanding of technology and what's possible today, combined with a deep belief that we'll have AI that's better than 95% of humans at 95% of computer work, within ~2-3 years?

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AGVann t1_je0gag7 wrote

/r/StableDiffusion if you want to find the people at the forefront of waifu booba generation. For the last couple months, there's been new discoveries, inventions, and techniques almost daily.

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el_colibri t1_je0liia wrote

I'm on a busy bus and can't click on anything in that subreddit because I'm afraid I'll burst out laughing. Will Smith eating spaghetti was not something I expected to see on my commute home 😂

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AGVann t1_je0t7lr wrote

The subreddit itself is pretty clean of anything NSFW and is generally a very helpful community that's focused on technical stuff as much as memes, but once you start digging into the links and models it very quickly takes a turn for the pornographic. And Will Smith eating spaghetti.

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qepdibpbfessttrud t1_je0odvk wrote

Porn drives innovation, a lot of people don't like to admit it, but male sex drive is generally insatiable. Huge vector of overall technological progress

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Paraphrand t1_je11bjg wrote

> Well, it's an interesting perspective you've got there, but it's not entirely accurate to say that porn is the main driver of innovation. Sure, the adult entertainment industry has contributed to the popularization of some technologies, but it's just one small piece of a much larger puzzle. Technological advancements come from various fields like medicine, transportation, and communication, which address a wide range of human needs and desires.

> As for the male sex drive being insatiable, it's important to remember that everyone's experience and needs are unique, and generalizing like that can lead to misunderstandings. It might be helpful to take a step back and think about how much time we spend focusing on adult content, and consider whether that energy could be channeled into exploring other aspects of life or even learning about the countless innovations happening in other industries. Remember, balance is key in all aspects of life! 😉

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DonOfTheDarkNight t1_je1g8wa wrote

Did you just pull out a GPT-4 on us bro? 🧐

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Paraphrand t1_je1gj0g wrote

The singularity is near.

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fluffy_assassins t1_je26k7k wrote

Are we allowed to use GPT for our comments here?

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Paraphrand t1_je26tul wrote

It’s probably not something we want to get out of control. (Not that you can control it). That’s why I quoted and I don’t plan to keep doing it.

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1II1I11II1I1I111I1 t1_je0fjf3 wrote

Twitter (Takes a while to curate your feed, but you get the freshest information there, as well as quality informed content if you follow the right people i.e. academics and researchers)

r/singularity (the rest of Reddit is far too behind talking about AI; r/ChatGPT can have good content amongst all the garbage)

YouTube (AI Explained, Firecode, Robert Miles. Content is very quickly outdated though)

Less Wrong

Hacker News

I actually think people on HN are pretty informed on the rate of change in AI. The recent post about a 3D artist becoming disillusioned with their work after being 'replaced' with GPT had a lot of comments clearly discussing the immediate and massive impact AI will have on society.

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Longjumping-Sky-1971 t1_je1wc1j wrote

Twitter is the way, curate the feed with industry experts and the random leaker of info and you will get a lot more out of it than here.

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EpicMuzzer69 t1_je22lip wrote

Would you mind sharing who you follow?

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Longjumping-Sky-1971 t1_je24bv8 wrote

@goodside,@DrJimFan,@ilyasut,@repligate,@karpathy,@sama,@vladquant, @yoheinakajima, @nearcyan, @bayeslord, @bio_bootloader,@chloe21e8 that’s a few

Edit: I see you lurking 👀

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galactic-arachnid t1_je0gdjw wrote

I believe that you are looking for the ML community. Though they may not agree with you that programming work will be obsolete in 4 years. If you believe that there are communities (with smart people in them), who aren’t seeing something clearly, perhaps they are, but do not share your opinions. No one can predict the future - I have some very experienced friends in the AI industry who believe we’re in an AI winter, but the hype hasn’t died off yet.

Personally, I like Mastodon. The communities are still a bit smaller so it’s possible to find people with the blend of opinions that you’re talking about.

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AsuhoChinami t1_je17bej wrote

Sorry, but your friends' opinion is an incredibly stupid and utterly absurd one. Disagreeing about the future is one thing but saying we're presently in an AI winter is one of the most fucking stupid and delusional things I have ever read in my entire life.

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galactic-arachnid t1_je1fvxc wrote

You’re certainly entitled to that take. I will clarify that they are talking about research, not commercialization. And I’ll grant you that I’m an internet rando who could be making up my so-called “friends”. FWIW, these are people I consider accomplished in the field (AI research positions at big tech, successful AI entrepreneurs, university AI researchers)

I would encourage you to read the research for yourself (perhaps you already have) rather than the marketing output of AI companies. “Attention is all you need” is a good start. And if you’re looking for a strong argument in favor of AI winter, “stochastic parrots” is a good line of inquiry.

I’m not trying to support any particular viewpoint, just adding other perspectives.

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AsuhoChinami t1_je1hhn6 wrote

Well, I don't want to be rude to someone that has been polite to me, it's just... this "We're currently in an AI winter" is about as credible as a Flat Earth argument. I don't really see the need to dig deeply into a viewpoint that's transparently ludicrous, any more than I would research Moon landing conspiracy theories or watch an hour long video about why Barack Obama was assassinated in 2011 and replaced by a robot that was created by the child of John Wayne Gacy and Abraham Lincoln.

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DonOfTheDarkNight t1_je1gncl wrote

  1. On average 6 papers on AI are being released per minute (I paraphrased a little, but the actual stats were something like this, correct me if I'm wrong). How is this AI winter?

  2. GPT-4 isn't stochastic parrot

I'm not trying to support any particular viewpoint either.

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AvgAIbot t1_je1ff58 wrote

Pretty much just this sub

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Cryptizard t1_je1v505 wrote

You forgot about the part where OP said, "smart about what AI is and isn't currently capable of."

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SgathTriallair t1_je2i68t wrote

While I agree that we will have super human AI soon, the fact that a lot of expert groups disagree is evidence against that I idea and shouldn't be discarded without reason.

I do think they are incorrect but it's important to not get high on your own supply and decide that everyone who disagrees with you is wrong solely because they disagree with you.

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ActuatorMaterial2846 t1_je1r5pm wrote

r/machinelearning seems to be a good sub. People seem grounded, yet have a very good understanding of the field and are up to date.

It's a little less fanciful than this sub, but that's why I like this sub.

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jm2342 t1_je27228 wrote

They are too conservative in general and don't really get it (or don't want to).

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dsiegel2275 t1_je3dcrl wrote

Have you considered the possibility that you're wrong? That in a few years GPT-N won't be better at creating any piece of software better than all humans?

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funplayer3s t1_je3ywv2 wrote

It's mostly because you won't find anyone of reasonable intelligence who falls for the BS.

There's a certain level of intelligence that enters the "quantum mechanics" level of emulation, which in the practical sense, cannot be applied to practical utility in any sense of the word. There are countless papers about consciousness, reality, and an insane amount of metaphysical concepts all crammed into one list. It's the same as teaching science fiction as fact, when we have no reality to base it on.

There is a large gap between what is metaphysical, and what is realistic in this industry. The people who follow the reality of what is happening, are following the works of those scientists who create the work, not the ones who are constantly doomsaying about the outcome of the work without understanding it.

If you follow those pragmatic men and women, you may find the answers you're interested in. This entire industry is full of liars, scam artists, shams, snake oil salesmen, and everything between the lines.

If you find a group of reasonably intelligent and competent pragmatic scientists who are basing their work off the engineering aspects of what they're building, you'll find a group of men and women who just want to keep building. There's a deep passion to develop systems like this in the hopes to someday reach the singularity.

The ultimate goal is to provide every human the ability to intuitively know calculus, trig, deep psychological complexities, philosophy, sciences, art, and everything else that any human could desire to have access to knowledge-wise.

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lehcarfugu t1_je37965 wrote

it has yet to be seen if current language models will be capable of creating software as well as humans. due to training datasets being based on human text, it's limited in it's intelligence. it may require new breakthroughs or a different pathway to reach something equivalent to AGI. certainly this view is not uncommon among AI researchers, so maybe you should try yourself to be understanding of different views, rather than blindly believing LLMs will eclipse humans shortly

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