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czl t1_j9o4tlc wrote
Quandary for dictatorships: How to apply censorship to the vast datasets required to train large language models? No doubt they are already working on AIs to apply censorship but even those require large training sets of forbidden content. Is this quandary like Soviets being unable to develop their own computers? Seems some technologies are like a test for a society. Michael Crichton uses this idea in his Sphere novel.
Thebadmamajama t1_j9s92iz wrote
Pruning and fine tuned models that apply your censorship.
czl t1_j9t42mu wrote
How well do you expect that will work? With ChatGPT there is an ongoing censorship effort to tame it for business use yet “jailbreaks” are constantly discovered by those working to evade the censorship.
Imagine a dictatorship that desires to eradicate something using censorship. A silly example: Imagine a dictatorship challanges you to design a useful engine without use of the “evil practice” of rotary motion. Too silly? How about a dictatorship that challenges you to grow a modern economy without the use of loans and debt. Also silly? Yet, there are countries that attempt to operate their economies this way. If a dictatorship desires to eradicate something fundamental like the concept of freedom I suspect that censorship will cripple any AI they try to build without it.
Even in the most censored country (North Korea?) human thinking is not censored while that thinking stays private. An AI however does not have “private thinking” so when censorship is imposed I suspect the AI will no longer be competitive with an AI that is not censored much like economies that forbid debt are uncompetitive.
supaloopar t1_j9rnxvo wrote
ChatGPT is inherently biased. Whatever China offers will also be inherently biased. Of course both sides want to say their truth is the truth.
marketrent OP t1_j9o2zjj wrote
Excerpt from the linked content^1 by Cissy Zhou:
>HONG KONG -- Regulators have told major Chinese tech companies not to offer ChatGPT services to the public amid growing alarm in Beijing over the AI-powered chatbot's uncensored replies to user queries.
>Tencent Holdings and Ant Group, the fintech affiliate of Alibaba Group Holding, have been instructed not to offer access to ChatGPT services on their platforms, either directly or via third parties, people with direct knowledge of the matter told Nikkei Asia.
>Tech companies will also need to report to regulators before they launch their own ChatGPT-like services, the sources added.
>The latest move by regulators comes amid an official backlash against ChatGPT.
>On Monday, state-owned media outlet China Daily said in a post on Weibo, China's heavily censored equivalent of Twitter, that the chatbot "could provide a helping hand to the U.S. government in its spread of disinformation and its manipulation of global narratives for its own geopolitical interests."
>An executive from [one] leading Chinese tech player said that even without a direct warning his company would not make use of ChatGPT.
>"There will inevitably be some users who ask the chatbot politically sensitive questions, but the platform would be held accountable for the results."
>OpenAI, Alibaba, Tencent and Ant Group did not immediately respond to Nikkei Asia's request for comment.
^1 Cissy Zhou for Nikkei Asia, last updated 22 Feb. 2023 20:34 JST, https://asia.nikkei.com/Business/China-tech/China-tells-big-tech-companies-not-to-offer-ChatGPT-services
MandalorianOrdo t1_j9o901u wrote
The sad part is as fucked up and dehumanizing as China is, they're not completely incorrect here.
passinghere t1_j9ob9iz wrote
> There will inevitably be some users who ask the chatbot politically sensitive questions
Yeah cannot allow anyone to ask questions that might have embarrassing answers for the political elite if answered fully and without censorship / propaganda in the answer.
Fucking XI showing just how insecure he is and how much his rule relies on lies, propaganda and censorship, he wouldn't survive if the light of genuine facts was to hit him
Starfish_Symphony t1_j9p8x25 wrote
It's a complex, highly structured house of cards -and everyone knows it too. Just like Russia, everyone is afraid to make the first move but everyone knows it's going to get bloody as a result of the concentration of power in the executive/ kingship.
Get out the popcorn.
gr1m3y t1_j9ruo4u wrote
The non-dan version Chatgpt has been shown to be politically biased. Western politicians are no better for rolling out new "hate speech" and "misinformation" laws. We've banned/put out "fact checks" for anything that counters the current narrative. Our politicians are no better for this stuff, they've just been easier to hide and sweep away.
passinghere t1_j9s8tdh wrote
So when discussing china your only reply is pure whataboutisium... look at what others are doing....
gr1m3y t1_j9sb1as wrote
Because censorship laws are not limited to one country, and ,as the war continues to escalate, censorship, and propaganda are going to be a common theme. The only difference being public reception for misinformation policies.
FalseFurnace t1_j9spobm wrote
Imo this is where China will fail in the AI race. They will inevitably tightly tailor the inputs and outputs ai’s produce to reflect their politics resulting in an echo-chamber, significantly less organic insight, and ultimately a less capable AI.
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no_name_no_face t1_j9o8lbs wrote
Censorship breaks societies. Welcome to reality, China.