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Wizywig t1_j47qj7e wrote

To note, Postgres has a new plugin for full oracle compatibility (github), its not enabling anything new in postgres but it allows PG to be a full drop-in replacement for an oracle database. Or at least mostly.

People need to seriously just move away from oracle asap. It is a predatory company that hasn't really innovated in decades.

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0pimo t1_j493cln wrote

You realize Oracle makes more than just databases right? Like, I'm pretty certain NASA didn't overspend just for database software.

They were likely using their ERP or manufacturing systems. While the data gets stored in a database, it's the compliance, workflow and other aspects of the software that make it valuable.

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CunningCapy t1_j4bujlm wrote

Yeah now you gotta pay them to use Java and have support* or use Redhat.

*Support not guaranteed or of any particular value

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Triumphxd t1_j4cjp50 wrote

Yeah, they are definitely paying millions for oracle databases. I’m sure they are also paying some things you mentioned but I would be completely unsurprised by db costs being a large portion. Any reason why you think it wouldn’t?

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0pimo t1_j4clml4 wrote

Because the article specifically references supporting Shuttle operations. You use ERP and MRP systems for that.

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neuronexmachina t1_j4c2poz wrote

Interesting comment from last month's HackerNews thread about IvorySQL:

>It’s also likely in violation of arcane copyright law. The oracle wire protocol includes a handshake procedure that sends a poem in one of the initial messages. It’s untested legal theory whether copying that poem in a new work (e.g. a new driver or compatability layer) would violate Oracle’s copyright on the poem.

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FrustratedLogician t1_j4azvel wrote

Okay, and when this stops being maintained or bunch of bugs are found, and your business need support now - what then? People pay for a service because somebody is there to also help them out when SHTF.

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CunningCapy t1_j4buokf wrote

All oracle support will do is read the requirements for running their software back to you.

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FrustratedLogician t1_j4c766g wrote

Well, my client using Oracle service said they are very helpful in resolving issues, so your mileage may vary I guess.

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kaartman1 t1_j48re1z wrote

Bruh, Oracle cloud ERP is da best in town 🤷‍♂️

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Wizywig t1_j4a0d95 wrote

Peoplesoft 4 lyfe! Ima fight you over this. To the death!

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BeenRoundHereTooLong t1_j4abogb wrote

Everyone will still use SAP

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bandit69 t1_j47nqgp wrote

Anyone think this is the only software contract like this?

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cishet-camel-fucker t1_j49oxv3 wrote

Oracle in particular is pretty bad. We had to create an entirely separate virtualization environment for our servers that have Oracle software on them to comply with their new rules. If you don't do that, they charge you for every single server in the environment whether or not it's running anything from them.

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Mosaic1 t1_j49yq8o wrote

New rules? Pretty sure that’s been oracle policy since virtualization was even a thing. If the software is installed on the processor, they charge you.

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zenstain t1_j4ai4gl wrote

As a senior software engineer, I cannot understand how Oracle continues to stay in business. Their business practices are beneath contempt and their DBMS is a nightmare to install and maintain.

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FrustratedLogician t1_j4b0420 wrote

It is behemoth of software - been in business for decades and is less risky than some random startup to rely on. I know that biggest UK supermarkets, retailers use Oracle for their HR etc. I've seen some of that software - it is pretty good and has extensive customisation.

Sometimes boring and old is what you need.

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technicalgrandcanyon t1_j4b12gc wrote

they are a lot of uneducated and non technical people at companies that end up buying certain vendor software without even asking more technical people for input, they company just has to overpay and use it

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GilfHouse69 t1_j4b3b67 wrote

Tell me about it. I work for a company that makes software to train people how to use it, and the amount of time we spent just waiting for a client to get stuff setup for us to test is ridiculous. No one actually seems to know how to use Oracle because it's fucking massive and ripe with nuances that no one knows how to maintain.

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CunningCapy t1_j4butxn wrote

Because of the SUPPORT GUARANTEE.

I genuinely think this is the reason. Companies don't want to assume risk so they'll go with anything that has contractual support.

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SeaweedSorcerer t1_j482mvz wrote

“Doesn’t use”? Sounds more like “isn’t sure if it uses or not.” If they were sure they didn’t use it then an audit wouldn’t be scary.

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bad_n_bougie69 t1_j47rx28 wrote

Sometimes I wonder how much of this is true incompetence and not hiding slush funds for black ops

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PEVEI t1_j47sjze wrote

NASA’s budget is pretty puny compared to obvious sinkholes like military and social spending, if you want to hide something it seems easier to work with a couple of trillion, not 30 or so billion.

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9-11GaveMe5G t1_j47z1l4 wrote

They paid the money to Oracle and took receipt of product they didn't deploy. So zero of it is that

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Ok_Kale_2509 t1_j48uxtj wrote

I wouldn't be surprised if things likebthis are used for slush funds but there are parts of the military where 15 million is a rounding error. So it more likely comes from those places.

Also, why hurt Nasa when we could just sell drugs to minorities for slush funds. You aren't getting creative enough.

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morpowababy t1_j4bupyh wrote

Yeah I worked directly with NASA for a defense contractor and I can confirm, it's true incompetence.

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mrwynd t1_j49oyin wrote

Large and small companies do this to a degree all the time because they don't want to pay for someone to pay attention to licensing.

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technicalgrandcanyon t1_j4b0x64 wrote

oracle tried that with us, we uninstalled their software

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Ok_Entertainment328 t1_j4brxzo wrote

They tried it with my former company after they uninstalled the software.

Went to court, showed them all the paper work for removing a validated system from the company. (HIPAA, 21 CFR part 11 type validated system)

One of the few customer wins.

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PsychologicalRecord t1_j4bblnl wrote

Meanwhile the military has failed 5 audits in 5 years and can't account for billions.

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Less_Acanthaceae_204 t1_j4c058v wrote

Oracle is like the "money tree" that just keeps on making money, money, money!

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PCOverall t1_j47u40v wrote

Who really owns the stars? The answer might surprise you

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Kill3rT0fu t1_j48s1m7 wrote

NASA doing what any government agency does best. Overspends on the simplest things.

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Glittering_Power6257 t1_j4am0bv wrote

I don’t have a ton of experience in corporate IT, however, I can say that licensing is far from “the simplest things”, and the penalties outlined for noncompliance can be pretty disastrous.

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[deleted] t1_j4a6pnv wrote

You sound like someone with very little life experience. Every company I've ever worked at also did the same. Seems like human nature.

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nur5e t1_j4a8eqf wrote

Government power is such a waste of our money. The idiots that want the government to take over healthcare just don’t grok how much money will be wasted and how little will actually make it to care.

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