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theassassintherapist t1_je96ayh wrote

Dower. It's called dower, not "bride prices". You know NYT wants to spin a narrative when the title is deliberately more dystopian than reality.

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stegg88 t1_je973tj wrote

Its basically the same though. No house no car no marriage.....

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theassassintherapist t1_je97aix wrote

"Bride price", especially with the quotes sounds like mail ordered brides when the reality is that it's a tradition to pay the bride's family to take their daughter into marriage. Major optics difference.

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Shuber-Fuber t1_jeb3228 wrote

Except both are correct term though.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bride_price

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dower

And without the quote it gets even more ambiguous

Bride price is up

vs

"Bride price" is up.

And dower has a different meaning for Western world, which is functionally an optional contract that's essentially a divorce settlement.

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y-c-c t1_jee5ozt wrote

I still think the traditional term is “dowry” (not “dower” which was probably a typo) though. It’s a commonly understood term.

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Shuber-Fuber t1_jef9kc6 wrote

Dowry is payment from the bride family to the groom.

Dower is the reverse one.

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stegg88 t1_je97bmt wrote

A fair enough. I see your point now.

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ThePopKornMonger t1_jeam3rd wrote

This is why they want to invade Taiwan, get some war bribe action going on.

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Hockeyhoser t1_je96f07 wrote

Is dowry better?

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tewnewt t1_jea5p5m wrote

I would have preferred a groupon.

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NETSPLlT t1_jeas7dg wrote

Not everyone wants to share their wife with a group

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Shuber-Fuber t1_jeb4o1e wrote

Dowry is bride family payment to groom.

This is the reverse, which is called "dower", "bride dowry" or "bride price".

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infirmaryblues t1_je9cqwk wrote

I know at least in Kenya it is still informally called a bride price and I wouldn't be surprised if it's the same in many other traditional cultures

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ChadNoir t1_je9dvcs wrote

Tbh they also abduct women from Cambodia and Laos to wed them, so bride prices ain't wrong

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Shuber-Fuber t1_jeaqgoi wrote

Isn't dowry essentially "bride price"? It's a price you pay for a bride?

The issue is that dowry is so rare in western countries people likely don't know what it is anymore.

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theassassintherapist t1_jear42b wrote

Yes, but read the title headline without context. Marriage rate down, bride prices up. Without any context that sounds like human trafficking/slavery and the selling of women, which is a farcry from reality.

So they are being deliberately being misleading to incite more chinese hatred.

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Shuber-Fuber t1_jeayic1 wrote

I mean if you put "dower" there it gets even more ambiguous and arguably "nefarious", because it appears you're hiding what you're doing behind an arbitrary term.

Most people don't know what dower is. "Bride price" is an accurate enough description, it's a payment for a bride, and you can at least get that concept across first before talking about the historical background.

Also it turns out that's the right term.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bride_price

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dower

"Dower" is specifically a Muslim tradition if it involves groom paying bride.

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realnrh t1_jedcony wrote

It's as though decades of selecting male offspring somehow resulted in females being able to be highly selective about who they marry. Can't imagine who could have predicted that.

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Rickyspanish33 t1_je9jb5r wrote

We just have to hold off WW3 until their population falls

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SiofraRiver t1_jedcyld wrote

Sexual relationships and marriage in Korea and Japan are also collapsing. You'd think that more conservative countries would have more children, but that's apparently only the case in religious settings that foster a cult like authoritarian mode of control.

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Aedelweard t1_jedqb2g wrote

Why is it called "Bride Prices" in English? The original word means Garnish Gifts.

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Tiabb t1_jebyek9 wrote

Inflation really impacting the price of everything nowadays /s

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