>A position paper obtained by Reuters - and earlier reported on by the German news site t-online - shows the government wants to do that in part by significantly reducing the income threshhold for migration and introducing a points system.

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>"Anyone who lives and works here on a permanent basis should also be able to vote and be elected, they should be part of our country with all the rights and duties that go with it," Chancellor Olaf Scholz said at a televised immigration forum.

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>"And this should be completely independent of origin, skin colour or religious affiliation," he added.

I think it’s for the best

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Would this possibly make it easier for an American to move there?

Na klar!

Literally Importing a voter base

Points based systems are already in place in Canada, New Zealand and Australia. Americans can move to these places provided that they are valuable enough. Besides the usual skills and education required, Germany will certainly require proof of basic language proficiency. You can move most places already if you can get a company to employ you locally so if you really want to leave the US then your best bet is to learn a skill that’s in demand and get experience.

And workers, consumers, and taxpayers.

You think migrants shouldn't ever be allowed to vote...?

So people know Valuable enough, usually means ,not readily available local. (at least If a company is going to be your sponsor/ticket to citizenship).

But if anyone is interested into moving to a country with a points system, look it up so you can see what you can work on, to help your chances. As it covers a range of things.

>Americans can move to these places provided that they are valuable enough

THis is the big one. It's also not that you are valuable by yourself. IT's that you're valuable on paper.

35 years old and can take apart and rebuild any household appliance, rewire a house and a master plumber? Cool cool. You got the paper work for it? no? fuck off.

For the record I am exaggerating greatly to make a point.

Maybe you should check out who majority of Turkish Germans or Turkish diaspora in Europe voted for in Turkey. Same for migrants lot of other countries. Allowing these migrants to vote means these dictators or countries like Poland, Hungary, Russia etc can influence election It also incentives parties to promote migrants to create a future vote Base

Only people born and brought up in Germany should be allowed to vote that is the children of migrants born in Germany.

Yeah mate you know you could've just fucken said yes that's your belief than wasting your time explaining your racist pov.

You think Westen immigrants don't exist in German either or something?

and refugees aren't citizens.

Or people who drive the minimum wage down so corporations can keep the wages down.

I literally mentioned polish Hungary. Russia. Should I add Romania too

Hungary , and russia are part of the west now?

Poland would be the only one.

Yet you still dont understand refugees aren't immigrants.

And you need citizenship to vote.

When did Polish, Turkish, Russian become Refugees. They were always immigrants .

Mb, Okay so you think no migrants anywhere should be allowed to earn citizenship. (because then they could vote)

Got it,

Definitely racist.

But i understand.

No the rules should not be relaxed like Germany is doing now. They should mandate single citizenship too

I get your point but in NZ and Aus we have strict certifications for people who carry out electrical and plumbing work so if you don’t have some formal qualification in them you would have no chance of practicing unless you did an apprenticeship and then that puts you at virtually the same level as a kid out of high school. Obviously all people are inherently valuable but it’s more about if you’re valuable from an economic point of view. Points based systems are arguably superior because they are quite transparent and offer multiple ways to meet the requirements.

Yeah there’s usually a skills shortage list of some kind. Australia even has different ones for different states so you’d want to check the state government requirements especially for trades.

That's never for the best.

The kinds of immigrants that Germany has? The ones that vote for Erdogan? No

The current german government makes the german citizenship to an easy to obtain give-away. All the rights but no obligations. I do not need such comrades with german passport.

No taxation without representation, as the saying goes

huh? what obligigations do these ppl have or not have compared to others?

Germany isn't America

Oh, yeah, reducing the years required to be able to apply for citizenship from eight to five years is definitely a giveaway.

Mein Herr, I'd go as far and say we don't need you.

Ah, Mexicans in US. Eastern Europeans in Germany

As I said, Germany isn't america

Lmao so a person who has moved lived here for 10 years paid taxed all that time shouldn’t be able to vote? You people are crazy!

Come on honey, it is not that. I do not like the dual citizenship.

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Time to shine with my C1 level under the “Special Integration” process!

so just like everybody else, just as I thought

By the same argument shoul a person living and paying taxes in different country lose a right to vote in his native country?

I agree with the principle I'm not sure if I agree with what I expect results to be :(

Multiple citizenships at once would lead to unequal distribution of political power in a globalized world. If I can vote for 2 governments, then I have double the political power. Start to think globally ffs, it's not that hard.

As someone who has immigrated here, fuck you. I have spent years learning the language, customs, and working my ass off. You are not the gatekeeper of who gets to vote in Germany. Go back to your cave, troll.

>Anyone who lives and works here on a permanent basis should also be able to vote and be elected

That seems like common sense. No wonder people are opposed.

America isn't America either in that case. Regions of the US with more immigrants have higher wage growth. The states that don't have any immigrants to 'keep wages down', are poorer, and have slower growth.

Except those Turks you are talking about already WERE born and brought up in Germany.

I say yes.

Except in Germany those people are just working illegally for wages way below the minimum wage. I don’t think there’s much of a difference tbh.

Yea but it's been an issue in the east of Ukraine.

Lol

So you want to tell me that’s different in the US? What’s so funny?

Firstly there aren't nearly as many illegal immigrants even on per capita basis so makes it much harder to break the laws and labour laws are stricter in Germany with higher unionization rates.

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Germany already allows for dual citizenship under certain circumstances (i.e. birth rights and people who hold another EU/EEA citizenship).

Edit: source.

When i was in my late 20ies I got a job offee from the US which was really attractive.

Upon hearing that I would not be able to vote or being influential in politics I declined. No taxation without representation. Giving the US my skills and have my voice taken away in return was not an option.

As such I can relate to these policies and support them.

Mate, as a German I have no idea what you are laughing about. The low wage sector has been steadily expanded over the last 20 years and Germany has a huge black market issue.

I never said it's perfect, just that's its not as bad as America.

South* where bunch of russian military lived and retired with thrir families. East was a bir different, mainly pro-russian ukrainians, then russia-backed rebellion, followed by russian unofficial military intervention.

Yes.

Hallo, ich kannen sprachen douche

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As someone with multiple citizenships, why would I bother to vote for the country that I don’t live in? Sometimes there are significant hurdles in registering to vote if you don’t have a local address or proof of residency. It’s a big enough challenge to get people to vote in elections of the place that they live let alone everywhere that they have citizenship. Additionally in quite a few places including NZ you don’t need citizenship to vote and can achieve the same with residency which I think is fair because if you live in a country (and pay taxes) for years then you should have a say in political affairs.

They also allow you to retain your other citizenship if it is too difficult or expensive to denounce (Read: American). Germany is pretty chill about these things in general.