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McBurty t1_iydqzzx wrote

However the Iranian regime is fundamentalist Shiite and could care less.

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BallardRex t1_iydsczr wrote

Yeah, “popular like a Sunni cleric in Iran” is not a phrase anyone has uttered.

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Ceratisa t1_iydvuv3 wrote

Couldn't *

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jbert146 t1_iyf9pqr wrote

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Ceratisa t1_iyfaexv wrote

Accepted and correct are different. Plus you can literally go to Britannica for the exact opposite response

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jbert146 t1_iyfaz53 wrote

If you’re going to nitpick my word choice between two synonyms, you could at least click the link. “Correct” is the word used

> Correct Usage: Either

Britannica doesn’t take a firm stance

Edit: this is by far the lamest thing someone has ever blocked me for

Edit 2: I can't reply to you, /u/LifeStuffAndThings, because the other guy is upstream and blocked me. Here's my comment:

> What two synonyms?

"acceptable" and "correct". The other guy fixated on my word choice there.

Usage determines what is correct. Grammatical rules describe common usage, they don't prescribe them.

Merriam Webster says both are correct. Brittania says "According to most grammarians, this expression is logical and correct only with couldn’t", but then goes on to acknowledge that both are widely used.

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Ceratisa t1_iyfbcxr wrote

It clearly says the majority in the link

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38384 t1_iyebcw4 wrote

Interestingly back in '79 when Khomeini founded the Islamic Republic, he let it be known that Muslims on both sides should unite and work together, against Israel. I wouldn't clarify him as being "anti Sunni". Funny enough, since then it has actually turned into Sunni vs Shia because of Saudi Arabia, and they're now siding with Israel.

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docmcstuffins89 t1_iyevvj9 wrote

Saudi Arabia is about as hard core as it gets. They’ve largely pushed away the wahhabis under MBS. But they’re not even Sunnis to me. They hate anyone who isn’t like them.

Shias, Sunnis, whatever. As a Muslim, I’ve never come across a more hateful and dark group of Muslims than wahhabis.

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TiredSometimes t1_iyezavt wrote

This is a fact. Whenever anyone in the West thinks of "Sharia law" of beheadings and lashes for the smallest of grievances, they think of the Wahhabi mindset, it's as backward as it comes. Wahhabism can't even be considered a school under Sunni, it has effectively become another sect of Islam at this point, that's how divergent it is.

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Its_Just_A_Typo t1_iyf8pus wrote

They're like the Islamic version of the westboro baptists and other southern evangelicals on steroids. Same brand of religious bigotry, just a different book waving in your face.

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Hipster_Bear t1_iyfcn1m wrote

And here I was thinking of Southern Baptists. It's worth looking up what separated them from other Baptist traditions. (Hint: it was slavery.)

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Its_Just_A_Typo t1_iyfcwir wrote

Yeah, the southern evangelicals are the worst of that subgroup; mostly baptist as is that westboro bunch, but there are others they band together with in tribal solidarity and hate.

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Zippit_ t1_iyf6zol wrote

I really have to read up on all this. I am a sunni muslim, but because of circumstances took a step away from anything religious for my own sanity. Do you know a place I can start to read about all of this?

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InvertedSleeper t1_iyfd55b wrote

About what in particular? The different schools of thought? Or wahhabism?

Check out 'the Siege of Mecca' by Yaroslav Trofimov

I also stepped back from Islam for a while and returned basically as a convert of sorts. It's fascinating to see how the Saudis have built this narrative of Wahhabism being ""the official Islam"" --- to the point that even non-Muslims will now tell Muslims that they're not real Muslims because they're presenting an argument that goes against what the Wahhabis have been pushing for decades.

For a while, they were one of the only Islamic countries that had enough money to translate books, and they did so selectively. Things are slowly beginning to change now, but the chokehold they had on the Muslim world was insane.

Especially considering that they were doing this as allies of the Americans and the British, who supported them through overt and covert campaigns to secure their oil. After establishing themselves, they begun exporting their ridiculous ideology around the world, while the (relatively) ""secular"" (for lack of a better term) governments in the region were being destabilized and eventually destroyed.

(Not that these governments were the beacon of morality, but it's just an interesting coincidence that this was happening at the same time)

Simultaneously the Saudis would push missionaries to these destroyed countries, build big massive mosques, and exploit the situation as a whole. Many extremists were recruited in this manner.

Another fascinating point is coming to the realization that there is in fact no such thing as an official, monolithic Islam. There are the core fundamental principles laid out in the Quran --- everything else is a matter of statistics and probability. (And amongst the countless different schools of thought, movements, and sects, the infallibility and sanctity of the Sunni hadith books have been disputed, just as an example for how deep the disputes have been, even though today this would be unthinkable to many Muslims, unfortunately.)

The classical Muslims actually viewed Islam's multitudes of interpretation as a source of Mercy from Allah, and accepted that two contradictory statements could both be true depending on the methodology one used to arrive at those conclusions.

It paints a completely different picture from what the Wahhabis have been shoving down our throats, and even many Sunni scholars have disregarded them as heretical fanatics.

(See here: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2016_international_conference_on_Sunni_Islam_in_Grozny)

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Test19s t1_iye7fjv wrote

If anything, this could inflame the sectarian angle of the current crisis.

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SucculentT0e t1_iyeuk29 wrote

What's the difference? Is it like Catholic and Orthodox Christians?

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TiredSometimes t1_iyezr92 wrote

Yeah, separate sects of the same source material, the Quran. They basically believe in differing events and different hadiths (basically what gospel is to Christians) to be legitimate. A lot in both sects believe the other "aren't real Muslims" (which is extremely taboo and probably one of the largest accusations to say in Islam).

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Qaxar t1_iydzq82 wrote

Not a surprise. Regime has been most brutal in the Sunni regions.

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_SpaceTimeContinuum t1_iye5xlu wrote

These clerics are about to become the regime's next victims.

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DEATH-BY-CIRCLEJERK t1_iyefcqd wrote

TIL there are sunni clerics in Iran.

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MATlad t1_iyf79ig wrote

Also Zoroastrian, Christian, Jewish, and (kinda-sorta) Baha'i. For now.

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Vinroke t1_iyf8c53 wrote

I thought that most of the Zoroastrians/Behdins had fled centuries ago?

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Lunathistime t1_iyf0531 wrote

Prophet Mohammad only stated the need for coverings like the hijab in the presence of God. I take that to mean in holy places. The rest of the time he said to dress modestly. Muslims are not breaking any oath by showing their faces.

Is this really the hill the Iranian regime wants to die on?

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Savoir_faire81 t1_iyf6cb7 wrote

Its not about religion, its about power using religion as a pretext for control. The regime will absolutely die on this hill because if they back down they are finished.

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