Art is art though. .I’ve heard Scorsese and Tarantino discussed alongside Dali and Picasso.

Not yet.

That’s not a theory that holds up well to logic. How would you explain the events continuing in Me Mercedes without her? Ignoring the boom, events took place in the film that her character was not privy to.

I’m not going to run OP down, there’s a lot of snobby replies here. I’m going to say there’s still decent stuff being made in the film world, but exponentially the level of high quality work is not growing at the rate films are released. Since the advent of digital films, and another bump by streaming providers, more and more movies are being released each year, but far less of them will stand the test of time. I think part of that is just a desperate need to create content. However, putting that to one side, there have been massive artistic pushes in the world of computer games. They arguably cost more and require more time to make, so they’re quite an achievement in and of themselves. However, even in some of the best (let’s say GoW, LoU and RDR2 as examples), even though the storytelling is well above the norm, it’s still not perfect. RDR2 had a number of storytelling and pace issues. I still loved those games very much, but there’s room for so much improvement. I guess it depends on your preference of art, and that’s always going to be subjective. When I watch a film or play a game, I’m looking for an engaging premise, solid storytelling, great performances, and in games some addictive gameplay. So I compare games and films through many of the same filters. You may be looking for something different.

I can’t post 2,010 movies- I don’t know that many!

Just putting this out there. Most sympathetic characters would maybe think to themselves ‘I know this guy really likes me so I should be gentle with his feelings and not lead him on’ or perhaps ‘ok, he’s not taking this well, so for both our sakes I should draw a line through this relationship. That’s better for both of us’… there’s not being responsible for how a guy feels, and there’s provoking the situation further.

I’m not talking about the comics though, the films are very much their own thing. My point is, if you do what Batman does, you have to accept your actions will end lives. And the way he drives in the films, probably civilian lives. But you never see him wrestle with this in any credible way. The rational between letting Ras die and saving Joker is not consistent. And film Batman, honestly, Within Nolan’s world, would never kill anyone, and because it’s not realistic, he never has. In that world, it’s framed as his skill and his decision not to take lives, rather than blind luck.

Perfect ending. And they both know it’ll be the same night after night. Perhaps the middle story could focus a fair amount on Bruce Wayne out of costume, so we get to see both sides of the character. Oh, we should definitely get narration from Batman, filling in the time jumps and explaining his pursuit of clues.

Sorry I don’t fully agree. Joker was pushed off the building in a legitimate effort to save himself and diffuse the bomb. He didn’t have to save the Joker, no more than he could have saved Ras from the crashing train. He saved the Joker just to prove to him he wouldn’t take a life and that the city stood up to him. Like it says in the DK; he has one rule- Batman doesn’t kill. Ever. I guess the logic is he doesn’t have to save you either, but he does save the Joker regardless… Flipping someone’s car over is still a deliberate action that can claim a life. As is just punching someone in the head. While that’s easily ignored in a fantasy world, it’s harder to accept if you’re striving for realism.

It’s on my to-do :) I also really liked the last Suicide Squad! There’s room for fresh ideas, it’s just so many of them, especially in the MCU, are a formula. It’s not a terrible formula, but after 15 years it’s getting stale.

I would totally watch an anthology, just skip the genesis story entirely. I’d actually like low stakes stories, maybe just 3 nights in the life of Batman? A bus full of children have been abducted for ransom, but is there more to the Joker’s prank? The cops are after Catwoman, but was she framed on this occasion, was it actually a different villain behind the heist? And finally, a violent gang war between Dent and Penguin spills onto the streets.

That’s a fair point about the cobbled armour. But sometimes, when you’re desperate to change too much, you’re pretty far from the source material, sometimes too far? I feel like the ‘look’ was pretty cool, but it just didn’t feel like Batman. But I say that as a 40 year old whose probably jaded from seeing it all done so often.

I would personally love to see a version done in the style of Sin City. Larger than life characters, scenery chewing, acted on a sound stage with almost entirely CGI backgrounds. A stylised and gothic city fully realised (the city should really be a character in its own right), and even if not black and white, lean hard into the high contrast- paint the frame with shadows. And give Batman a CGI cape so you can really bring the comic look to life.

I used to be that way, I loved the idea of ‘real’ superheroes, but the more I watched the Nolan films the more I realised that’s a double edged sword. Seeing how you interpret a fantastical character is intriguing, like the Riddler (clearly the best way to do it), but you’re still left with a man who dresses as a bat to apparently scare grown men. Also, particularly in Nolan’s film, you have a guy that routinely tosses people down stairways and through crates, and flips cars, and fires rockets, but apparently never kills anyone. You can kill yourself tripping over a curb, but after all this violence he’s never accidentally killed anyone? How does he feel about life limiting brain damage? Burton and Affleck had the sense to avoid that conundrum. And even ignoring that, his philosophy in the Nolan films is inconsistent; he leaves Ras to die in BB but saves Joker in DK, apparently just to prove a point. And Dents decent into madness feels very rushed, that needed a much bigger arc.

It’s cool. There were things I liked; Riddler was a nice take, Catwoman was OK. Like I said, cool chase. Like what you like though. Personally my favourite is still Burton’s first. I don’t think there’s actually many heroes who work in what’s intended to be a realistic setting, because it invites critical thought. Even as much as I appreciate Nolan’s films, they’re still flawed in some ways.

My take, which is not formed by how popular the film was or is; I hate the popped collar design of the suit, didn’t like the muscle car (although the car chase was fun), didn’t like petulant angst Batman, didn’t like emo Bruce Wayne, didn’t like the fact the worlds greatest detective hardly solved a single problem without help, didn’t like the fact it felt 50% too long, and very cluttered / rushed in the final act. Penguin was miscast, as was Batman- he was not a threatening presence. People might say ‘oh this is young Batman’ but bullshit, he’s 36! That’s not young.

It’s about Father Karras becoming the Exorcist.

It gets a bad rap because you have to work really hard to hide the conceit that everything happens with the camera present. It’s hard to tell a story where you can’t simply cut away to somewhere or someone else.