Redlar

Redlar t1_irgmurv wrote

Wow, I'm seriously impressed! I've not read those particular books but knowing my son he has lol

>I swear to FSM, I hate what the current generation is going through. I mean, there wasn't a lot of stuff out about LGBTQ when I was in HS, and I wish there was.

FSM, may we be blessed by his noodley appendages 🙏

My adult children have a few friends that had tough times with their parents, one was tossed out for a few days until her dad calmed down (she crashed on my kid's couch), some just don't say anything to their families, and a few actually had supportive families. I got to hear about the turmoil in their friends' lives and it breaks my heart, they have a difficult enough time just existing, they don't need their difficulties compounded by adults being awful and making up lies about their orientations.

I was so oblivious to anything LGBTQ+, back in high school, I didn't even know my best friend was gay! Reflecting on it I know why he didn't come out to me, it would have been extremely dangerous in the area we lived.

I'm really not enjoying this timeline's updated version of McCarthyism and the Satanic Panic. Hmmm, that could be a cool band name tho lol

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Redlar t1_irgk1ma wrote

>(2) sell, lend, distribute, transmit, exhibit, give away or show any obscene materials to any person 18 years of age or older

This part has nothing to do with your argument.

As to whether or not it is considered obscene, the law does not support your argument because it does not pass the last part of this three part test, which you quoted:

>(3) the subject matter, taken as a whole, lacks serious literary, artistic, political, educational or scientific value.

Ultimately, the law appears to be entirely irrelevant to your argument because of this section:

(j)  Exemptions.--Nothing in this section shall apply to any recognized historical society or museum accorded charitable status by the Federal Government, any county, city, borough, township or town library, any public library, any library of any school, college or university or any archive or library under the supervision and control of the Commonwealth or a political subdivision.

Whether or not something is obscene has been argued for more than 100 years in our country.

I did enjoy learning more about the law in PA so thank you for that.

>It is not appropriate material for a learning environment.

That is your opinion.

If you have concrete evidence that the book is to be found in elementary school libraries across the state, I would be very interested in seeing it. Do keep in mind that anecdotal evidence is not acceptable.

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Redlar t1_irfm0vh wrote

>So now you're advocating for porn to be in school libraries... Good for you.

>Should my tax dollars go towards something I believe to be completely inappropriate materials for a classroom just because you think it's "okay" for kids to read pornographic materials, even as it breaks federal law?

>to transfer obscene matter

Define "obscene matter".

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Redlar t1_irfjmzp wrote

>This material does not belong in a public school library

The school library is there to serve all students not just the ones raised with conservative values, after all, my tax money went to that library too. I don't like Ayn Rand's ideas, I think they harmful in the wrong hands and are a horrible way to think about and treat other people, but I'm not going to demand her books are removed, in fact, my son started reading one of her books after playing Bioshock because he became interested in the ideas that lay at the heart of the game's story, I didn't interfere but I did make myself available to talk about those ideas.

>There's a reason all sexual material is limited to 18+ by law.

Oh boy, you don't want to know about network or cable TV, streaming services, video games, books, music, the Internet or what students discuss amongst themselves.

>Most parents want to avoid their children getting a hold of sexual novels.

I think parents want their kids to grow up to be healthy and happy adults which requires teaching them about the world as it exists currently.

It's natural to want to protect your child from harm but it's also difficult for some parents to accept that their teenager is growing into an adult so they react harshly to anything deemed "sexual" in a misguided attempt to protect them. Teenagers will seek information, period, it's better if the information is factual.

I grew up with a repressed understanding of human sexuality due to a very basic sex education in school and parents that couldn't even bring themselves to use the proper names for body parts "down there", plus the mindset that sex was dirty, not that anything was ever really discussed in my family. I didn't even have a discussion about menstruation with my mother, thankfully I had older sisters so I knew what to do but only with pads.

>Buy the book for your child if you think it is appropriate.

I suspect you didn't read all of my original comment or skimmed because I specifically said they are adults now.

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Redlar t1_irddlv9 wrote

I just read Gender Queer.

I don't see what all the fuss is about, there's nothing in there that I wouldn't want a middle schooler or high schooler to learn about or see if they are being raised with a healthy understanding of the sexual nature of humans. It was very informative, and an enjoyable read. Someone calling it "porn" says a lot about where their brain automatically goes to, yikes.

A graphic novel like Gender Queer would have mind-blowing to me as a teenager. I grew up down in MD in a school district that had extremely basic sex education (back in the 80s and 90s), the area was also racist and saturated with Christianity. What a coincidence lol

As a kid I'd already seen pottery with naked people on it from reading National Geographic and depictions of people on network TV engaged in sexual activity (always under the sheets but you knew what was supposed to be going on). The rest of the novel I wouldn't have objected to my kids learning (they're all young adults now), it certainly would have been healthy than when their friends would show them inappropriate pictures or videos without any warning or way to educate.

As to the other novel mentioned in above comments, I haven't read it.

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