Typical_Humanoid

Typical_Humanoid t1_ixcqp6i wrote

> If it had focused entirely on Wiest and Allen

See it's the fact that Allen lays his ego to rest with Hannah that it's one of the only ones I can tolerate and actually enjoy. Even some of the later ones he's not in, he may as well have just starred in them anyway, the characters feel like true stand-ins. But H&HS feels like he temporarily learned what we all know, that the world is full of people who don't think like Woody Allen. And I can respect that when normally his films are some of the ones I get the acclaim of the very least.

A big one for me is I think the Coen bros would do well to focus much more on comedy than their dramas. They don't feel very signature, but I can't really think of anybody else with their sense of humor and it is a great one and desperately needed with the lack of truly side-splitting comedies we have now.

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Typical_Humanoid t1_itukfuj wrote

I feel how you do about real life killers, if I had my way we wouldn't even know their names or faces anymore. Fictional serial killers and fictional victims are another story, and I feel like you're blurring the line between the two here when there is a distinction.

It sounds harsh for characters that already had the worst happen to them but it just feels like outright lying to pretend the most major thing that happened to them wasn't their murder. Nothing in a victim's story is going to outweigh what their fate was, everything will then be colored by their demise, everything will seem sadder. Saving it until the end is just disingenuous and cheap really, like their entire life amounted to a gruesome twist ending.

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Typical_Humanoid t1_ituhmtg wrote

> From a technical standpoint you can't construct a narrative around victims, because by virtue of the fact they're victims and the only time they're relevant to the overarching story of the serial killer is at the point they are killed.

This is something along the lines of how I feel about it and wanted to say. The whole reason we're talking about them at all is because their lives were taken away, yes they're complete human beings their entire lives before and should be respected as such, of course. But the killers are the reason the stories are happening and are just naturally what makes for a more interesting story.

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