At this point, I'm just going to ignore you. I'm tempted to block you as a user entirely. I've never done that in my entire history here, hell I'd have to look it up, and I'm fucking lazy. But I'm tempted to.

Because you show more willful ignorance than any human I've ever interacted with on this site, and that number has to be at least in the tens of thousands at this point. Maybe more.

Aging also allows for us to exist.

You cannot exist without aging.

It's not the problem.

The problem is that there are biological (and mechanical, teeth, broken bones, a fucking safe landing on your head) processes that tend to be activated as we age.

Solve those.

I have two legs. I can see them at least. Move them around. They come in quite handy.

I'm not making an argument. I am pointing out facts.

Aging is not a disease. It's a natural biological process.

You do not cure aging, it's not a disease.

You can attempt to find the mechanisms that cause our bodies to become less functional over time. You can call those diseases if you'd like. Though that's still a misnomer.

You can then attempt to treat those mechanisms in a way that they no longer produce the unwanted effects.

Every single thing I've stated is factual.

If you'd like to argue them. Feel free. Until that time, how about you take a giant pill of, wake the fuck up and learn what the words you use mean.

Do tell. This will be a story for the ages. Call the press first. Notify the world. Because you're about to tell a story that's never happened in the history of life before.

Nothing dies from aging. Things die because the natural processes that allow them to age stop functioning.

Fast? No, I'm a human. I take it you've not lifted those knuckles too far as one?

Tell me. You know anyone that has died from aging?

I'm all for life extension. But it's not an attack on Aging. It's a framework that allows us to continue to under our own control, not that of our genetics.

I've never claimed otherwise. But it's important because this is the framework that will set the perspective.

Again, learn from the mistakes of people much smarter than you or I.

Right now, today, this very moment. Some asshole is throwing his life away searching for a way to cure plaques in the brain because of it.

>“I learned long ago never to wrestle with a pig. You get dirty, and besides, the pig likes it.” - George Bernard Shaw

Recommended reading btw.

It is semantics.

But they're really fucking important ones.

Aging is not a disease. It's a natural process.

And to beat this horse a little more, it does matter. Because when you start saying things like age is a disease.

You fail to understand that you're not even talking about age for one.

After all, 80 year old healthy person, disease free.

15 year old going through puberty, disease free.

Both are experiencing aging. We all are after all. Not all of us have disease.

The only world in which it makes sense to say Aging is a Disease.

Is one in which you're confused about words. And that means you're confused about the concepts behind those words. And that you'll be confused when searching for really fucking important things. Like how to actually cure a disease.

We can talk about symptoms all day long. It's all we've been talking about, because it's all we can talk about.

It's got nothing to do with being close to the end. Naked Mole Rats age, they never get close to the end.

So why are they special? Are they immune to this age shit?

Nope. They still age.

>The fact that you made this statement, just shows how little you understand the subject.

I stopped there. Nothing you can say after this has merit.

Let me ask you a question.

Can you cure puberty?

Perhaps you say, but why in the fuck would you ever want to?

Now, you're getting it.

That's right. Puberty is a natural process that allows children to develop into adults.

But hey Mr. Smarty Pants? Isn't that also a product of aging?

So when the fuck are you going to cure it?

edit:

Fuck, that logic shit is a bitch. When are you going to understand? Aging in a natural process we must all go through. There is nothing to cure. It's not a disease.

Stop trying to cure aging you dumb fuck and instead focus on the natural biological systems that are triggered by it. Just like puberty is. Just don't cure that one.

>organisms being programmed to produce offsprings and then die

That's not true. There are many living creatures, including mammals that suffer no age-related death at all.

>My point is that aging is a word for disease that occurs over time

And my point is that you're talking about symptoms, instead of diseases and it's not even a good definition of the word to begin with.

lol The Shut Up and Calculate method of AI. Sure. I like it. The difference is that the Copenhagen Interpretation produced results.

Funny how the concept of consciousness as a function of informational complexity has yet to.

You could have a kid. Certainly. I'd even agree that you'd be creating a physical body that comes fully equipped with a brain.

But you're clearly not creating intelligence. Intelligence isn't a brain. It's not a body. It's the interactions of those things with information.

I can make a CPU, doesn't mean I can play favorite video game on it.

And that's just a simple analogy. After all, intelligence isn't software or a motherboard or memory or a psu either.

It's not even the video game itself. Because those are all simple concepts. Very simple concepts next to what we're talking about.

Again, Just define that word Intelligence for me. It should be easy. Fuck we've all said the word a million times. Surely we know what it is. Right?

And I'm stating something that is true, regardless of your definition.

Aging isn't a disease. There are biological processes that we associate with aging that lead to the degradation of the human body.

Just fucking words right?

Mental Gymastics.

Except it's not, because read through this shit show of a thread.

There's so much confusion it makes me dizzy.

It's not the words. it's the ideas and thoughts behind them.

The understandings.

And you might say, meh... who gives a fuck.

To which I'd point you directly to billions of dollars wasted by experts, doctors, scientists, politicians, researchers, and mostly those suffering from disease.

Because they didn't understand this simple difference.

Yeah? Where's your evidence for that?

Is your consciousness allowed by the laws of physics too? What about Qualia? What about subjective experience in general?

Just show me the evidence bro, and I'll jump full steam ahead.

Don't dig too hard. Hell I'll help you out.

https://iep.utm.edu/hard-problem-of-conciousness/#:~:text=The%20hard%20problem%20of%20consciousness%20is%20the%20problem%20of%20explaining,directly%20appear%20to%20the%20subject.

You're talking about my failure to understand. I'll make you a deal. Swear to god, and I'm a man of my word, even if I am a supreme asshole.

Show me a single living creature that has died of aging.

Do that, one example of the countless living things in the history of this planet that just died of age.

And if you can do that. I'll let you pick a really nice way for me to understand. Pick any dry ass PhD level book you want on this topic, and I'll read every single fucking page of it until I'm ready to dig my eyes out, and then I'll read it again.

That seems fair to me.

Sure. Define that word you're using so loosely. Intelligence. Where does it come from?

Dunno? Guess what. It's another one that nobody fucking does. There's zero evidence that we generate it.

If we don't?

What then?

That's right, you wasted 30 fucking years because you were too fucking stupid to define the words you're using.

I really hate not responding. I do. And I suspect this even counts. But I'm just going to fucking ignore your comment. I hope you don't mind. It's not going to go well for either of us if we continue down this line, and I'd like it if we could at least part friends. I'm an asshole, but it's not for the sake of such. It's because it's really fucking tough to gently walk people through how they have their thoughts fucked up.

But this is another one. Because machines, they aren't intelligent, they behave intelligently, on their good days.

I would have thought that by now most in this sub would have spent enough time with ChatGPT to have that shit hammered into them pretty deep.

I don't have to look it up. I rarely ask questions I don't already know the answers to.

Here's the answer.

Nobody fucking knows. Not a clue. So how are we searching for a cure, when we don't even know what the fucking disease is?

We attack the symptoms that's how.

Because that's sustainable.

Then do that. But stop assuming you can cure aging. That's a natural biological process we must all go through otherwise we'll never develop past a sperm and egg.

Aging isn't a disease.

Tell me please. What is Alzheimer's? I know it's a disease. Is it a virus? Is it an infection?

Surely this is an easy answer right. We've been searching for a cure with billions in funding for at least as long as I've been alive, and that's no short time.

Easy questions, easy answers, right?

Finally, someone I can upvote. Ty good sir or good ma'am. I'm sorry for all of the mental gymnastics it took to get here, but at least someone finally had a light come on.

Edit. I lied. I didn't read all the way through lol.

Aging will never be cured. Age-related disease can be cured. I know these things are subtle. They're tough. But it's important, otherwise you're going to keep looking for ways to cure something that isn't a disease and is incapable of being cured. You were so close though. Still. High Five.

No, it means that people waste the best and most productive years of their lives lacking the wisdom to use them appropriately.

I was no different btw.

At least in that example you have a clear cause.

What's the clear cause with aging again? Get back to me. I'll wait.