Then why are you talking to me?

The crucial thing is to understand how deep the problem is, it literally began in Eden, you can reject the divinity if you wish but the story perfectly encapsulates the problem. No man created the natural world and no man has a right to own any part of it, not publicly and not privately. So long as we permit this we have freeloading, that is the root of it. But as said, no one wants to admit how deep and pervasive the problem is.

OK, but which is easier, to create a car with no plan or design using faulty parts or by engineering the entire process?

Truth is always simpler than a lie.

Lets use a simple illustration. Lets assume democracy is the best possible system and money is an asset are two lies assumed to be true. Now if they are lies one predicts democracy will give us governments that are tantamount to evil and if money is not an asset we will get an economy that generates inequality, poverty and other ills.

You are free to claim these statements are true but then it behooves you to explain why they produce results that surely would be expected if they were lies.

The simple answer is absolutely not. I owe a duty to no one. But I reject your assumption an ideal society has beggars. But this is the problem isn't it? There are a huge number of people who embrace the idea of begging, who conspire to find ways of scamming society and getting things free? Do you disagree?

That is certainly a valid point, however I do not think designer or customized duties rise to the level of what a real duty is. I am not suggesting we do not say a man owes a duty to his family but this duty enforced by others is a far different thing than this care freely and lovingly exercised.

But the minute we start imposing duties on others, what have we but slavery. We can quibble about the degree and extent but the duty of one is always matched by the right of someone else. The stronger the duty and the broader it is the more like a slave one becomes.

My question is, why must the man have this duty, he can have a desire to care for his family by ought there to exist levers of power that forces this duty on them and why does society feel the need. I am not saying we do not have to pay our costs but I am against the language. I am against a way of thinking that ends up justifying a group of experts and elites dictating to a large group of subjects what their obligations are. I start from a position of equality and the existence of duty precludes equality.

You are assuming conditions that would not exist. One cannot just take capitalism and democracy and remove duty. Of course one would run into problems. You might be honest and admit that people are in need all the time in the West and cannot get medical help. I was in Florida for a year and the news reported 6 people in ambulences that died as they drove from hospital to hospital without any of them permitting them in as their quota of charity cases was already filled. So, please, lets at least begin from a place of honesty.

Let me make a prediction, this is where you accuse me of being a communist. Am I right?

Am I to suppose from your comment you do not know how to organize a community without you or someone like you being dominent, it seems to be what you are suggesting. Which means that because of intellectual limitations you justify your rule of others. Have you considered that you inability to understand how to administrate a flat organization does not prevent another from knowing how? All I see is you trying to justify inequality and so I must assume you obtain some benefit from being able to impose obligations onto other people. Am I right?

Yet Utopia is simpler to erect than a conventional society. Truth is always simpler. But it cannot be built on the carcass of this system. They key to to prevent freeloading. The conceptions of utopia relied on limited resources in unlimited abundance that made freeloading moot. Obviously a workable utopia needs to be more sophisticated. But the key to that is to remove all duty and the ability of anyone to impose duty on their fellows. It honestly is not that complicated.