Submitted by WolfIcefang t3_yslov8 in BuyItForLife

If you have a Dell laptop with failing parts, go to https://www.dell.com/support/incidents-online/en-us/SrSearch, search up your device, choose “hardware related” as your issue, and when given a list of solutions, scroll down and pick “email”. My laptop is a Dell XPS 15 9560 from the spring of 2017, and it only had a 1 year warranty.

Dell’s initial response was to suggest I mail the laptop to them for a diagnosis and repair, but in my reply I explained that I (a) knew exactly what the problem was and (b) had stripped the computer down to its bare components before, so it would be a waste of everyone’s time for me to mail my laptop out and back just for one itty bitty cable.

Dell actually agreed to this, but they required I tell them the Product ID of the component I needed. Every part in my laptop has a unique ID sticker on it. This was totally fair: Dell needed me to prove that (a) I really could do the repair, (b) I actually had a damaged laptop and wasn’t just a scalper, and (c) I was asking for the exact right product.

I needed a new barrel jack port, and I could supply the product ID for that, but I had previously replaced my keyboard with an awful Amazon knockoff. Fortunately, Dell just added me onto the order, no ID needed and no questions asked.

Dell’s public online "support" store is awful: it only sells external accessories and at absurd prices. I did not expect Dell’s secret store, visible to employees only, to have everything I needed at a reasonable price. $10 for the charge port, $40 for the keyboard, and $10 for shipping? That's a deal.

Before shipping, Dell forced me to write my name and the current date on a piece of paper, then take a picture of it next to the laptop, which was a bit overkill in my opinion, but maybe they have scalper issues.

Genuine parts are absolutely worth it. My Amazon knockoff keyboard had incredibly bad backlighting, a spacebar that wouldn’t press down correctly, and within a year the paint on the keys was rubbing off. Arguably the knockoff’s bad lighting and spacebar problems were caused by Dell’s atrocious ribbon cable placement, (It's folded over onto itself and taped to the back of the keyboard!) but the genuine replacement feels like it’s fresh from the factory. The only reason my first Dell keyboard failed was my extremely overzealous use of the left arrow key for proofreading and programming.

Would I recommend Dell laptops as a BIFL product? Absolutely not, for three reasons:

#1: The repairability of my Dell XPS 9560 is technically all there on paper: (ram, battery, ssd, power port, keyboard, speakers) but nearly every internal cable is held down by tape or sticky tack and there are a few daughter boards that are adhered permanently to the chassis. The battery is the only part truly “designed” to be taken out and replaced more than once. My next portable machine will probably be a Framework Laptop.

#2: Dell’s power and thermal management is decidedly bad, at least in 2017. Thermal throttling doesn’t just dial back the clocks to compensate, it’ll instantly kick you down to 800 MHz (slower than a Raspberry Pi 2 from 2015) until the system goes below 50 or 55 degrees C. Of course, the system fan curve isn’t informed of this, so they’ll slow back to a crawl while you’re still waiting for your system to cool down. I thought this was just a thing all laptop owners had to deal with, but my shiny new Steam Deck can handle high power and high temps, so... no.

#3: Unless you absolutely need the portability, it’s better to buy or build a desktop. https://youtu.be/RRY1jrIDhvU

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FenrirIII t1_iw0t22o wrote

There are very few electronics that are BIFL, laptops and PCs are by far the worst. Batteries are the chief complaint I see with laptops and most only have a warranty of one year (although it can be longer). I like to use Dell because their website has all the drivers and support assistance. Before ordering any parts do quick research to make sure there aren't any advisories or recalls on the parts, these are often covered for free even outside the warranty.

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kuddlesworth9419 t1_iw2i810 wrote

PC's can be pretty BIFL if you built it yourself. If something breaks or you want to upgrade a part you can easily enough.

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mets2016 t1_iw2pk9j wrote

Then it becomes a bit of a ship of Theseus issue. If you’ve replaced every component, is it even the same item?

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kuddlesworth9419 t1_iw2qhhl wrote

Most stuff in a PC never goes bad or breaks. I think the most common parts are the GPU and the PSU. CPU's, memory and motherbaords tend to just work forever in my experience. But yea if you upgrade it so often or manage to keep breaking stuff and you eventually replace everything then yea it's a different PC sort of. As long as you don't replace the CPU and motherboard you don't even have to install Windows again so technically I would say you can repalce everything except the CPU and the motherboard which are the two parts you likely don't need to change. Most modern CPU's are very powerful and will last at least 10 years.

I'm still on a 5820k for example and it's still playing new demanding games with no problem. It's the GPU that I change most but I've only gone from a 680 to a 1070 in that time because one of the VRAM modules was going bad.

If you replace components as and when you need to over a long period of time is it a new PC or is it just the same one you have always used? Like if one year I change one part eventually you won't have any of the original parts but does that really change anything? You original Windows install might not be around but you can still use you're install image to a new PC. It's an interesting thought at least.

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mets2016 t1_iw2qunn wrote

Eventually all hardware gets obsolete. There’s going to come a day when you replace the CPU and motherboard too

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kuddlesworth9419 t1_iw2r6g1 wrote

Sure but that doesn't mean that CPU and motherboard can't be used for another system. There are a lot of use cases to just keep an old system around just as a cinema PC or as a retro PC for older games that no longer run on new Windows properly. Obsolete doesn't mean it can no longer be used. Classic cars are obsolete but plenty of people daily drive them still. My 5820k is well and truly obsolete but it still works just fine and runs stuff fine, it's about as good as an i3 these days probably but it works well enough.

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Environmental-Dog219 t1_iw05pa7 wrote

That’s fantastic! I dropped my xps15 a year ago and cracked the housing near the screen hinge. Dell wanted me to send the unit in and charge upward of $350 and I decided to live with the damage (duct tape to the rescue!). I’ll hit them up again to see if they’ll ship me a new case. Thanks for the PSA!

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yertle38 t1_iw0t8h5 wrote

My xps13 screen flex went bad. Went from flakey to basically unusable at any angle. I was like 6 months out of warranty? I disassembled and found you couldn’t just replace the flex. A whole new screen was like $300. I found out I could renew my warranty/service period through Dell for half that cost. So I did that and had a technician out the next day. Not free, but I’m happy.

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cakez t1_iwn5r4k wrote

yeah i would not recommend an xps 13, it's basically a disaposable laptop. There's next to nothing that you can replace without changing whole pieces, the cooling is very bad and it's expensive...

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yertle38 t1_iwohr6p wrote

Got any suggestions? I want something portable, needs to be pretty fast for code dev, need at least 1 usb (C or A) while charging, don’t want hidpi (1920x1200 16:10 preferred, or taller), and can’t stand arrow keys not in an inverted T or no physical function keys. Basically I want an M1/2 MacBook Air but I need Windows for work.

I do most of my work on a desktop but also do a decent amount of work while traveling.

I’ve eyed newer Dell XPS. Microsoft Surface Laptop is always missing something key. Maybe a Razer Blade, but last time I checked there was no stock of the non-touchscreen trims.

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cakez t1_iwrl5yd wrote

Yes I do ! I was looking for something similar, a no nonsense windows laptop for work. I also tried the asus vivobook with an oled screen which I would not recommend (low build quality, glossy screen).

What I ended up with is an hp elitebook 840 g8 aero, it's not cheap, it has not the greatest specs but it has an extended warranty, very good build quality, is user servicable (RAM up to 64 gb, replacable nvme ssd). it has plenty of ports (hdmi, usb c and usb a, jack...) I have a 250 nits screen, which is not very bright (there is a 400 nits version), but it is a matte display and I don't like too bright displays anyway. So basically it is a well built pro boring laptop, exactly what I needed !

Oh and it is very silent, something important to me.

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yertle38 t1_iwzqj69 wrote

I’ll check it out. I don’t need HDMI or USB-A, and would rather have something slimmer. I really use a laptop as a standalone travel device, and not a substitute for a desktop. But I will totally check out the HP, and thanks for the advice!

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yertle38 t1_iwzqv6t wrote

16x9 screen might be the dealbreaker on this one. On a 13” screen I really appreciate more vertical real estate.

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avipars t1_ixgbkmg wrote

Cool, small win for the right to repair folks

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