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pajamaset t1_ivuz700 wrote

I’m not biased I just know super wealthy people, people working in startups, people living in and selling extremely expensive homes. We are upper middle class and I promise you this tax does only good for us, no harm at all.

Over the summer our friends sold their house for $1.3 million more than they purchased it. Their capital gains were nowhere near a million dollars because of their capital improvements.

I know you think I’m biased but you seem emotional. You feel like some day this tax could cost $.04 for every dollar over a million that you make in a year, but you’re not being logical at all. The likelihood that you ever make $1,000,001 in a single year is very low.

Theoretically, let’s say you have an income of $150k and you sell your house for $1,000,000 more than you spent on it with no qualifying capital improvements. That means you’ll pay an extra $6k in taxes. Given that you just sold your house and made seven figures, I think you can afford the $6k and also likely won’t feel it much.

But, let’s also look at absolute numbers for home prices since the recession. If you spent $500k in 2008 on a house, and it has appreciated 60%, that means the house is now worth $800k, for a gain of $300k. That means in order to feel this tax for even $.04, you would need an annual income of $700,001.

In the event of a windfall that sets your annual income — even for a year — at a million dollars, I’d argue that you’re no longer middle class.

I just think you are proving the whole temporarily embarrassed millionaire thing and it’s not a great look.

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noob_tube03 t1_ivvcq60 wrote

>I’m not biased I just know super wealthy people, people working in startups, people living in and selling extremely expensive homes. We are upper middle class and I promise you this tax does only good for us, no harm at all.

https://www.nepm.org/regional-news/2017-04-08/voluntarily-pay-more-taxes-few-in-mass-opt-for-higher-rate

It feels strawman, you're the second person to reply saying "I think this tax is great and I look forward to paying it". Massachusetts already has an optional higher tax rate (and surprise, no one pays it). To your point though, no one making a million dollars, even in a windfall event, is really going to think the extra 6000 in taxes is life changing, especially since at that point they likely will have paid hundreds of thousands in federal and other state taxes. It does feel like a gross money grab, and that's why I'm much more a fan of increasing the cooperate taxes instead. Why does the mob think it's okay to scream "eat the rich" because some one got a windfall? There are plenty of places that money can come from.

I know someone who had a windfall like that. They had to pay over a million dollars in taxes that year. It feels dishonest to say "They didn't pay enough. We need even more of that money". I think putting in a carve out for the windfalls would have also helped target the truly wealthy while letting the middle class continue to build wealth

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