Bristol shooting.

Submitted by iamsce t3_y3qi31 in Connecticut

Unpopular opinion to many, but I'm going to say it anyway.

No assault rifle, no dead cops.

**update. I have not seen any news yet tonight, but I have a few cops in my family and I know people at St. Francis. Maybe news is already reporting this.

Fat murderer and his brother were removed from Bleachers in Bristol by the police. He and his brother went home, and killer gets all his tactical gear on and intends to go back to Bleachers and shoot the place up. Brother tries to stop him, gets shot. Thier mother lives next door, hears the commotion and calls 911 about a domestic disturbance. Fatso probably hears the police coming and decides to just hang there and shoot cops instead.

No assault rifle, no dead cops.

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Jaymez82 t1_is9wtwr wrote

No such thing as an assault rifle.

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Kindly_Vanilla4928 t1_is9y3df wrote

Right. Snowflakes get triggered by “assault rifle”. For those watching at home, you need to call it a semiautomatic long gun.

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flatdanny t1_is9zodw wrote

No matter what you call it, it kills people efficiently at distances greater than handguns.

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nutmegger2020 t1_isa7jn6 wrote

Although hand guns can be effective as a weapon of mass murder, I doubt the Las Vegas Shooter would have killed 60 and injured 867 with a hand gun.

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ccwilson84 t1_isas4jy wrote

All rifles do this. That is the point of a rifle, it has longer range.

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flatdanny t1_isasugb wrote

To kill people more efficiently. That is the point. Thats why so many mass shooters use them.

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HelloMalt t1_iscyxvq wrote

a longer range to do what?

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ccwilson84 t1_iskdt7j wrote

To put bullets into targets. Mine are usually for animals that I want to consume, but if my life is threatened I have no issues using it to put bullets into people who would try to do harm.

Rifles have longer ranges and much more power than handguns. This has always been the case, and as long as the laws of physics hold, it will always be the case.

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HelloMalt t1_isly8au wrote

there's a bunch of words for folks who are armed and ready to kill others and they're generally not flattering.

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ccwilson84 t1_isqn0l2 wrote

Well, if someone breaks into my home or place of business with intent to do harm, I am not going to be bothered by those words.

As a test, if someone breaks into your home to kill you, you use your unflattering words, and I'll use my armed and ready weapon. Afterward we can discuss the outcome over beers if we are both able.

I have twice used my weapon to prevent potentially violent robberies of my property and feel comfortable that my approach is better than resorting to hand to hand combat or less suitable tools.

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HelloMalt t1_isqqpe4 wrote

"Statistically that gun of yours is most likely to kill the owner so if you want to play your tough guy numbers games, be my guest.
edit- https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2759797/
"Results. After adjustment, individuals in possession of a gun were 4.46 (P < .05) times more likely to be shot in an assault than those not in possession. Among gun assaults where the victim had at least some chance to resist, this adjusted odds ratio increased to 5.45 (P < .05).
Conclusions. On average, guns did not protect those who possessed them from being shot in an assault. Although successful defensive gun uses occur each year, the probability of success may be low for civilian gun users in urban areas. Such users should reconsider their possession of guns or, at least, understand that regular possession necessitates careful safety countermeasures.

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ccwilson84 t1_istwjd6 wrote

So far I have beat the odds, trained extensively, and made a choice, so I will accept your invitation. I have no problem with it and if I am shot with my own gun it will be after a hell of a struggle.

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mynameisnotshamus t1_isawu4f wrote

Depends on who you ask I guess. There are actual definitions out there. There is a Wikipedia page. There is a U.S. Army definition of an assault rifle. The term is definitely out there. An AR-15 (Armalite -15) doesn’t tend to fit these definitions as they don’t have a full auto mode. According to one source, they can fire 45 rounds per minute. 400/minute with a bump stock. Assault Rifles are often confused with “assault weapons” which is a legal definition that can change based on state but generally fits AR-15 style rifles - semi automatic, large detachable magazine, pistol style grip.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Assault_rifle

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Assault_weapon

I knew none of this before looking it up now. I’m not the one to debate with, just relaying info from some Google searching.

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nutmegger2020 t1_isa6tbs wrote

Im still trying to grasp the motive for this horrendous act.

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bmcmillan534 t1_isa73zz wrote

Divorced, Wage Garnishment for debt, Child Support, Mental health issues, Gun nut.

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nutmegger2020 t1_isa8fea wrote

Kind of makes me thankful I never got married. My brother worked his butt of paying child support for 12 yrs and doesn't have much left to his name 35 yrs later. I guess any kind of pressure to pay child support when you are barely squeaking by can bring about a ton of mental stress. But why kill others is what I'm trying to grasp.

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bmcmillan534 t1_isa8iw0 wrote

he's dead.

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nutmegger2020 t1_isa8wy1 wrote

Dam corrected my statement and edited. I thought someone mentioned they were looking for him. I need to read better

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Quattro_power t1_isbi73c wrote

And in this case no handgun no kid getting shot eating his cheeseburger?

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iamsce OP t1_isbn226 wrote

Relevance?

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Quattro_power t1_isbpne4 wrote

Relevance stems from the fact that the type of weapon has little to nothing to do with what happened in either situation. It also completely ignores the fact that the majority of gun deaths involve handguns yet I never hear anyone saying things like let's ban handguns or this wouldn't have happened if we didn't have handguns

> In 2020, handguns were involved in 59% of the 13,620 U.S. gun murders and non-negligent manslaughters for which data is available, according to the FBI. Rifles – the category that includes guns sometimes referred to as “assault weapons” – were involved in 3% of firearm murders.

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HelloMalt t1_iscyt52 wrote

"let's ban handguns" -reddit user quattro power

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Quattro_power t1_isczgbj wrote

I’m arguing that banning specific weapons is pointless and solves nothing but okay?

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iamsce OP t1_isetlya wrote

How many rounds can you fire with a handgun in 90 seconds? Banning non pistols works.

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ccwilson84 t1_iske9e3 wrote

Most semi automatic handguns can fire at the same speed as rifles. They fire one bullet every time you pull the trigger. The speed is determined by how fast the trigger is pulled and has nothing to do with whether its a handgun or rifle.

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HelloMalt t1_isd3cj3 wrote

so you think a more effective solution is to ban all the weapons? damn, everyone check out antifa o'commie over here.

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Quattro_power t1_isd7940 wrote

Not surprised this is over your head - you’re lost. I’m not calling to ban anything. If anything I think some of the bans currently in place in CT go too far as it is, and this thread just highlights that

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HelloMalt t1_isd8rpq wrote

hey man before you go acting all smug maybe you should check that you're not contradicting your own posts, capiche?

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Jaybone56 t1_is9uhk9 wrote

What about the other 13 firearms? This guy was clearly in some kind of psychosis, either alcohol induced or something else. My heart is broken and I send my condolences to the families.

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melodiousmeow t1_is9wf2x wrote

Oh, you have proof that he had psychosis?

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Jaybone56 t1_is9wns4 wrote

Well, this is clearly not the actions of a man in control of his faculties, do you agree?

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iamsce OP t1_isate6i wrote

Lots of people have a breaking point. No assault rifle, no dead cops.

Somebody said no such thing as an assault rifle. Call them whatever you want, but we had an assault rifle ban and George Bush let it expire.

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Jaybone56 t1_isaw2br wrote

They were banned however the pre bands were still owned by millions

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Usedtoknowsomeone46 t1_is9v6ci wrote

Sorry, I will NEVER give up my guns.

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iamsce OP t1_isa8u9c wrote

So let's say you are informed by local or state police they will be coming to enforce a court order to remove all firearms from your residence or wherever else you store them. What do you do?

Hide in the bushes and wait for them? Take out as many as you can? Make them take it from your cold, dead hands?

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Allinorfold34 t1_isadve2 wrote

Unfortunately there’s enough people where that may happen that confiscation is unlikely. Instead gun ownership will be a privilege of the rich and patient willing to go through the loopholes and pay to own firearms

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HighJeanette t1_isawlrw wrote

and it kinda destroys the theory that if you have a gun that you are safe.

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iamsce OP t1_isa96pr wrote

All the gun nuts down voting comments here...

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TriStateGirl t1_isifntu wrote

Certain guns don't belong on the streets. Unfortunately so many are floating around now.

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Hopeful-Anywhere5054 t1_isd9iqa wrote

Why couldn't he have done this with a handgun?

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iamsce OP t1_isee74n wrote

Why couldn't he have fired 60+ rounds in 90 seconds with a handgun?

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Definitlynotcar t1_iugjrbn wrote

He defiantly could have since most rifles and handguns are semi auto which means 1 trigger pull = 1 bullet it all just depends on how fast the shooters trigger finger is

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Queasy-Event6036 t1_isyk11a wrote

I would like to add:

No alcohol, no dead officers.

No one ever talks about that. This horrific event clearly involves a bad case of irrational booze-rage.

I wish the Brutcher guy had lived long enough to sober up, realize what he'd done.

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DifferentManagement1 t1_isa5jqm wrote

I don’t understand why this is an unpopular opinion. It’s a fact and is the situation in every other country

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BeesOnBlow t1_is9wn2g wrote

Well, the devolved quickly.

USA=rinse, lather, repeat.

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Gil_V t1_is9wcce wrote

With you 100%

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Mofiremofire t1_isaaaoc wrote

yea cause if you want to kill somebody there's literally no other way to accomplish said goals.

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