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fuhry t1_j63pl04 wrote

> “I just don’t understand why people put up with, tolerate, endure those kinds of [road traffic] conditions, even if it’s just one or two days a week, instead of taking the train,” Cameron said.

Because the train is almost laughably expensive.

My Ford Focus RS, at an average of 19.5mpg of 93 octane fuel, costs $26.83 to drive the 56.9 mile round trip from my home to the office on W 23rd in Manhattan at $4.60/gal, plus the $3 toll for the Henry Hudson Bridge.

That same trip in my wife's RAV4 Prime costs $9.87 plus tolls, based on the current $3.29/gal or so for 87 octane.

Round trip Metro North peak fare (Wilton to GCT) is $34 a person, so it's $68 just for me and my wife to get into and out of the city for a weekday outing. That also does not count subway fares if our destination isn't within walking distance of Grand Central.

So the cost is comparable if I take the car that drinks premium fuel and it's just me. But not under any other circumstances. $68 vs $13 is a complete joke if you're doing that more than occasionally.

I would also theorize that the increase of remote work has resulted in most white-collar employees in NYC only being in the office 1-3 days a week and working the other 2 days from home. If your in-office schedule is unpredictable it makes almost no sense to buy the 20-trip or unlimited ride passes. MNR discounts are rather paltry with the 10-ride tickets.

Extrapolating the daily costs with tolls, it would cost about $257 to drive the RAV4 Prime into the city and back for 20 days - the average number of working days in a month. A monthly commuter pass is $333.

I could go on endlessly with pros and cons, talk about parking costs, working from the train (if you're lucky enough to get a seat), depreciation/maintenance/repairs, fixed costs associated with vehicle ownership, subway fares, whatever. You get the deal.

Bottom line, Metro North is more expensive in most circumstances, and the WFH revolution has resulted in it making even less financial sense.

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Whaddaulookinat t1_j63xpp2 wrote

> I would also theorize that the increase of remote work has resulted in most white-collar employees in NYC only being in the office 1-3 days a week and working the other 2 days from home.

The thing is that NYC bound commuters wasn't as large of a pool than the MTA thought when they were redesigning the scheduling post COVID. Once you see it in this light the New Haven line passenger numbers makes far more sense and the solution far easier.

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teknorpi t1_j65ogmd wrote

Totally this. I have a 10 mile commute that takes 30-45 minutes. I could do the same commute in 20 minutes with the train.

Parking $6, train $5.50. Total $11.50 per day.

Gas car $2

EV $1

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louied13 t1_j66p1ml wrote

You just nailed exactly why I also drive the one day a week I have to go into my office in soho from Easton. I work 7-3 so I leave at 5am so no rush hour traffic, it takes 60-90 minutes and costs about $60 - $42 to park, $6 for the Henry Hudson toll total, and 5ish gallons of gas. If I took mnr it’s 15 min drive to the train station, an 80-90 minute train ride, 15 on the subway plus any waiting around time. Cost is $36 for round trip off peak, $6.50 to park at the station and $5.75 round trip subway. So for basically the cost of gas a week I get a seat, my own music, and the ability to stop anywhere or anytime I want/need and save myself 1-2 hours or my time.

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