Submitted by ThinkSharp t3_10l1syy in DIY
magaoitin t1_j5ulijz wrote
I just debated this exact thing last fall. I really wanted a full encapsulation of my crawl space, but the price was crazy. I only have a 900 sq ft crawlspace and encapsulation came out to $13.50 sq ft. I live in Western Washington (Seattle area), so we do have a decent amount of rainfall and wet conditions most of the year, but with a fully vented crawlspace I have never had any issues with humidification or water in my crawlspace.
I decided against using a closed cell spray foam for the joists, not only because of the price, but also the horror stories I have read about the possible problems with off-gassing that has plagued the industry for years. I probably wouldn't be unlucky enough to be "that one in a million situation, but...I am Murphy's bitch sometimes. One bad install and you are never removing the spray foam to try it again.
I will use closed-cell for tight, hard to reach areas, or for the rim joist bays to get a 100% seal, but not in the open bays.
I got 3 quotes from different companies and ended up with , $900 for a 10 mill vapor barrier, $3,600 for the vapor barrier and R30 insulation in the floor joists, and $12,000 for Vapor barrier, floor insulation, R10 rigid insulation on the stem walls, 100% sealing, and installing a dehumidifier (electrical work was not included as I have dedicated outlets in my crawlspace already).
So $1.00 sq ft for 10 mil Vapor barrier$3.00 sq ft for R30 floor insulation$9.00 sq ft for rigid insulation and full seal (but also includes the cost of a dehumidifier...roughly $1100 is my guess)
I decided not to do the encapsulation and just did the vapor barrier and floor insulation, and then wrapped the exposed plumbing in neoprene insulation after the crawlspace company was done. I am still considering installing the Rigid insulation and sealing the crawlspace up myself this year.
I talked with 3 different crawlspace companies in my area and got the same basic answer, and roughly the same pricing. All three said they almost never do full encapsulation in my area unless there is a water problem in addition to the insulation need. I dont know if this is true, but I got it from 3 different sources that could have had an easy upsell, but they all talked me out of it. It could be with how busy companies were last year, but I am leaning towards believing them.
One thing 2 of them brought up (and I found in my online DIY researching) was if you do a full encapsulation you need to provide conditioned air from the living space down into the crawlspace and let it recirc back up into the house (if you are 100% sealing) to get the benefit of a true air-insulation barrier in the crawlspace. I've redone the floors in my house and have been sealing every crack in the floor prior to this, so now I would most likely need to cut holes somewhere in my floor to provide supply and return air to the crawlspace. Not a big deal, just something I have been reading about. You also need a dehumidifier down in the crawlspace and there is maintenance to think about on that piece of equipment as well as power and probably hiring and electrician on top of the install.
ThinkSharp OP t1_j5ybf0k wrote
Thanks for the detailed answer. I’ll re read a few times and maybe get some similar quotes if for no other reason than to hear what they would recommend. I’ve heard about and seen insulation that got humid falling out of joists and molding so, I’m cautious about that. But if I can control the humidity first then I’m not afraid of it. I just want to do the “best” option. I don’t want to circ house air through it but I’m not against a dehumidifier to keep it conditioned.
magaoitin t1_j5yromv wrote
Part of a 100% full encapsulation is you have to install a dehumidifier and pipe the drain line out of the crawlspace. (9 times out of 10 it is aways put in the most inconvenient part of the crawlspace to maximize the draw. Rarely do you ever get lucky enough that it is next to the crawl space access for ease of maintenance). It also depends on how well sealed your floor is to the living space. There are always holes the pathways for air to move unless you have gone over the top with sealing above the subfloor.
If you are worried about humidity building up in a vented crawlspace, you can opt for adding Crawlspace Fan with a Humidistat to the louver locations. Just don't have all of the fans pointing into the crawl space. Either all exhaust the space or you split it 50-50 for intake and exhaust so you maximize air flow across the insulation/joists.
These fans are sized to fit in a standard sized small vent openings you already have, and most are directional.
https://www.amazon.com/crawlspace-fan-humidistat/s?k=crawlspace+fan+with+humidistat
I agree that calling 2-3 crawlspace companies tell them what your concerns are and that you would like a price to just add insulation, and a second price to do a full encapsulation (or whatever your couple of choices are), letting them crawl through the space then ask their opinion and recommendation. If you get 3 separate companies giving you the same basic information you can make an informed decision based on your climate zone and actual subgrade conditions.
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