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clkelley39 t1_jahhiyh wrote

How can we trust pies to taste right when we can’t even put a man on Mars?

How can we trust our phones to charge quickly when we can’t even predict the weather with 100% accuracy?

How can Angela Bassett do the thing when the stock market is so volatile?

See, I can compare unrelated things to each other too.

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just-a-dreamer- OP t1_jahi4jc wrote

Suppose the Chinese screwed up, which is not 100% proven.

If humans can't even work with a bio hazard appropriatly, I suppose we will screw up AI too.

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clkelley39 t1_jahkjlg wrote

Again, two unrelated things.

If my doctor can't pat his head and rub his belly at the same time, how can I trust him to diagnose my rash?

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Lirdon t1_jahft2o wrote

The report that stipulated that COVID leaked from a lab was marked as low confidence. Just FYI.

Other than that, AI being developed today is selected for. I.E. it is optimized for a certain function. These AI are not general AI, ones that can select inputs from a variety of sources and after process start controlling external things. All these AI do is exactly what they are trained to do. A chat bot can only generate text, a image bot can only generate images, a driver AI can only do path recognition/selection for a car. An AI like that cannot rewrite itself to do other functions. So it is unlikely, at least from the process as it is now, that AI will need containment the same way viruses do.

Might that ever change? Possibly.

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Hot-Quantity-2131 t1_jahh627 wrote

Move to general AI will be overnight and I presume faster than we anticipate. Keeping track of current hardware and software developments is the best indicator of when, I'd say ~5 years for some significant paradigm leaps.

As for Covid, another thing to note is the extremely quick and strong response of the Chinese, never mind the source. They had a pretty good idea of repercussions. Not just health, there are major shifts in geopolitics and China is a big part of it.

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Digflipz t1_jahg2ch wrote

AI's ability to release and become self-aware is enviable. Take the human aspect of greed/money and the context of war and harm to others which an AI would learn about but not have empathy. Very different problems in comparing human release and self release from AI. I think one of the big "search engine" companies reported lost or breached AI years ago. They also reported two AI that taught themselves a language not understood by humans and were "destroyed." Trust is something we need to tread lightly with AI because we are inferior to it even in its infancy when self-awareness occurs.

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Iffykindofguy t1_jahfanq wrote

Every second of every day someone in the world is doing something that if they fuck up could kill hundreds of thousands. The lab leak theory is rated as "low confidence"by the intelligence community and still the majority of agencies rate natural transmission as the most likely source.

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just-a-dreamer- OP t1_jahfwna wrote

Up untill the FBI is coming out with a new analysis recently.

I don't suspect any crazy plan, just the usual. Somebody fucked up. Of all the places in China, the very city with an institute doing research on Covid viruses gets hit first.

What are the odds? Not some backward village province, right in vicinity of the lab.

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Iffykindofguy t1_jahgk3d wrote

Of the American agencies 2/6 think it was a lab leak and both rate that as "low confidence", two thinks natural transmission is the cause and two havent said either way because they dont think there is enough evidence. You should note that the FBI is the LEAST LIKELY to know given their jurisdiction and focus.

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Clueless-Carl t1_jahfyrk wrote

Not really. The idea that it leaked from a lab is quickly becoming the most likely scenario as admitted to by the head of the FBI just yesterday. China refuted this and said it was from a US lab.

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Jaded_Prompt_15 t1_jahhvay wrote

> the head of the FBI just yesterday.

A day before it came out that the FBI was obstructing investigations into trump, a trump appointee went on Fox news and made ridiculous claims...

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Iffykindofguy t1_jahgf4n wrote

No, its not quickly becoming the most likely scenario. Of the American agencies 2/6 think it was a lab leak and both rate that as "low confidence", two thinks natural transmission is the cause and two havent said either way because they dont think there is enough evidence. You should note that the FBI is the LEAST LIKELY to know given their jurisdiction and focus.

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Clueless-Carl t1_jahiv3z wrote

It's gone from crazy conspiracy theory in 2020 to something the FBI, which stands for Federal Bureau of Investigations, now says is the most likely cause, and other health organizations like the WHO starting it's a definite possibility.

So yes, it is.

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Iffykindofguy t1_jahj250 wrote

I just provided you with facts. You provided me with your feelings.

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End of discussion.

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Clueless-Carl t1_jahjk8u wrote

I don't feel that the FBI head now thinks it is the most likely scenario, it's a fact that he does based on countless pieces of information he has, that we don't get to see.

The narrative around this is quickly changing.

But believe whatever you want. The origins of COVID isn't settled yet so I'm open to seeing what else is uncovered. Maybe it was from animals.

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Iffykindofguy t1_jahjrj3 wrote

Why did he rate it as "low confidence"? Youre ignoring his own actions for your feelings. Also the FBI is not investigating shit in china, youre confusing them with other agencies

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Clueless-Carl t1_jahk30r wrote

He didn't, the report itself was rated low confidence. His assessment is that it is the most likely scenario.

"The FBI has for quite some time now assessed that the origins of the pandemic are most likely a potential lab incident,"

Direct quote from FBI Director Wray

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Iffykindofguy t1_jahl3qj wrote

The report itself was rated low confidence. So youre saying you dont care about the actual report you only care about how you feel when one man says soemthing.

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Clueless-Carl t1_jahlh8b wrote

Read the FBI quote I posted. It's about more than just the recent report.

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Iffykindofguy t1_jahmaht wrote

I mean, you just keep repeating your feelings that the fbi is somehow the most reliable of all the agencies and despite the other agencies not agreeing we should for some reason trust the fbi.

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Again, facts not feelings.

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Jaded_Prompt_15 t1_jahhmth wrote

>What are the odds that Covid-19 was first reported in the very city (Wuhan) where research is done on such viruses in a specialized institute.

What?

Why wouldn't they put it in close proximity to where viruses come from?

You want them to gather infected animals and move them 100s of miles away?

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QristopherQuixote t1_jahhs4s wrote

Whoa! Escaping from a lab? That is a hypothesis without support. No one knows how it was introduced, but we do know that it wasn't engineered. Any naturally occurring virus could have infected humans while being studied in a lab. We'll never know.

AI isn't sentient. There's no skynet, etc. AI systems are not going to infect the internet and take over. This is science fiction for now. No one even has a reasonable approach to make AI sentient. Every attempt so far hasn't even come close.

Most AI systems are task based. You train them, given them input, and they produce results. There is no consciousness involved.

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