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WalterWoodiaz t1_jbkce5s wrote

Reply to comment by Murein in What countries/regions currently have *good* projected futures? by Murein

Thank you for the sources. Those are bills introduced, those aren’t policy.

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Murein OP t1_jbkcu08 wrote

What are your thoughts on the mere fact that these things *are* being introduced? And where do you see the other social policy issues I mentioned going?

I'm not trying to be combative here, I am genuinely wishing to hear more optimistic perspectives than my own.

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WalterWoodiaz t1_jbkczm9 wrote

I think a better way to look at it is to see how many people vote and support it.

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Murein OP t1_jbkdkoa wrote

Sure - but Roe vs Wade got overturned despite overwhelming nationwide support for abortion rights. Heck, banning abortion wasn't even an issue in elections on the federal or state level.

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Jealous-Gate6014 t1_jbmq696 wrote

I could find just as many crazy and insane bills that were introduced by liberal state governments. This is a weak attempt to paint conservatives with a broad brush. It doesn’t take much to have a bill introduced just to have it swiftly killed in committee.

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Jealous-Gate6014 t1_jbmqnkh wrote

Abortion wasn’t banned. It was returned to the state level where it should have been along. I love how you guys say “oh abortion was abolished”, no, this wasn’t even a ruling at all about abortion itself, it was a ruling on federal vs state rights. I’m not even a pro life guy, but if we are going to discuss it, let’s be honest about the facts

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WalterWoodiaz t1_jbkdoyr wrote

Abortion is a different topic, stop moving the goalposts

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Murein OP t1_jbkdu3n wrote

Does the topic even matter when we're discussing how public opinion can be blatantly overrun?

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WalterWoodiaz t1_jbkdzss wrote

You brought up something specific, abortion pushback has been massive, but I am not here to talk about that.

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Murein OP t1_jbke3lh wrote

Yeah and see how much that pushback has helped?

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WalterWoodiaz t1_jbke9cf wrote

I believe in Kansas they voted on it and kept it, local action is important

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Murein OP t1_jbkedp8 wrote

I'm gonna need a source on that being a grassroots win

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WalterWoodiaz t1_jbkeqms wrote

Grassroots? It was a popular vote. US politics is very dependent on the state so painting the US as going to shit is oversimplifying an incredibly complex country

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