Seidans t1_ir23ta6 wrote on October 4, 2022 at 7:43 PM

Reply to comment by philipp2310 in Solar power world record broken with ‘miracle material’ by NickDanger3di

nuclear waste cost are already included in the electricity cost of any european country, the most iradiated waste part isn't even the size of a football field and that's for more than 50year of exploitation, yes bure isn't ready yet as "pro-environment" made the project take more time it would (bure wasn't the first choice)

you can't compare chernobyl and our current reactor as they are completly different, chernobyl could and have exploded, it's impossible now, physicaly impossible, using the titanic or driving at 100 km/h without belt as an argument won't change that fact

yes solar are profitable now, less when you include energy storage but still, they are profitable especially with an energy crisis,but it wasn't my concern, i said that relying on a energy source that use an absurd amont of material per kw/h was a mistake when your country don't own any mine that produce those material especially when the entire world will enter a scarcity era and country that export those material will no longer export them for their benefit

the same way europe need to develop the electric vehicle and public transport as we don't have a single drop of oil, and so we need to multiply our electricity generation by 2 at least, relying on gas and coal was a mistake, everyone see that with ukrain/russia war, now what will happen if china and taiwan start a war? china have the majority lf all rare earth metal in the world including lithium, i don't mind using renewable now that's profitable but it should only be temporary and nuclear should be favored as it provide far more independance in that regard

EDF is state owned and nuclear as a whole depend of a state as nuclear isn't capitalistic unlike other source of electricity including renewable, it's easy to build a couple of solar and wind farm as it's far cheaper and faster, it's morz difficult to invest in a project that require 10billion and take 10years, will facebook still exist in 10years? amazon? who know, France existed for thousand of years and will continue long after my death, that's why nuclear is state owned, and i don't even talk about national security, you can build bomb with them, nuclear bomb, dirty bomb even poison

i guess we will stop here as it become silly

philipp2310 t1_ir29g7p wrote on October 4, 2022 at 8:17 PM

>nuclear waste cost are already included in the electricity cost of any european country

that's why you land at double the cost for nuclear - invalidating all your arguments against solar.

>chernobyl could and have exploded, it's impossible now

Until it isn't impossible - unsinkable, unexplodeable.. same story.

And then you argue FOR electric cars as "society will collapse and we can't have oil anymore". Cars will for ever need energy storage. Light weight. As if there are the resources for that in Europe. Like the rare earth you mentioned from china we need for solar?

In what world is building cars with batteries more resource independent than building solar panels?

>we don't have a single drop of oil

Don't we? I'm pretty sure there are about 26 oil rigs around the north sea.

>i don't even talk about national security, you can build bomb with them, nuclear bomb, dirty bomb even poison

You don't say. Almost as if having nuclear near population could be used by terrorists or terrorist states?

And one last time I'll cite the reason why EDF is state owned for you:

>The government hopes nationalising the debt-laden company will help secure energy supplies in the country after the war in Ukraine left countries hunting for new sources of power to replace Russian imports.

And then you talk about panic and media with nuclear - but your "the oil society will crumble" view is completely sane and not panic driven? Almost as if there was some lobby behind that view as well.