Surur t1_is5lwff wrote
Reply to comment by OldFashnd in South Korean researchers say they have developed an anode-free lithium-ion battery that is 40% more energy dense than existing batteries and will enable EVs to travel 630km (390 miles) on a single charge. by lughnasadh
> American tech companies cannot be sued for the work environment of a company in another country.
Also called an attempted cash grab.
> My only issue is child labor, as I’ve said for this entire thread.
If that is true (which I seriously doubt), now you know it's a non-issue affecting a vanishingly small amount of batteries used by EVs. Hopefully, now you know you will never mention it again.
OldFashnd t1_is5miby wrote
God, you’re insufferable. It’s still a problem until there aren’t kids working in mines. I don’t care if it’s 2.5% of EV’s man, it’s 40,000 kids.
Surur t1_is5n6j5 wrote
This is neither the time and place to campaign against child labour, which affects much more than cobalt mining. You seem to be campaigning against EVs instead, which is why I said you are arguing in bad faith.
If you are campaigning against child labour, you can use your time more effectively elsewhere.
While you are fake crying about 40,000 children, about 4.7 million children aged 5–14 work in Congo.
E.g. in the Congo children are employed in the following areas:
Sector/Industry
- Agriculture: Farming, including in the production of manioc, peanuts, corn, plantains, potatoes, and sugarcane
- Fishing
- Industry: Working in stone quarries,† including breaking stones
- Services
- Domestic work
- Market vending and carrying heavy loads
- Categorical Worst Forms of Child Labor‡: Commercial sexual exploitation, sometimes as a result of human trafficking
- Forced labor in farming, including in the production of cocoa, fishing, domestic work, and working in stone quarries
- Forced labor in market vending and working in bakeries
- Forced labor of indigenous Baka, Aka, and Kola children in farming, including in the production of manioc, and in fishing, hunting, and domestic work
https://www.dol.gov/agencies/ilab/resources/reports/child-labor/congo-republic
Rwanda is even worse
> ILO estimates Rwanda has 400,000 child workers. Of these, 120,000 are thought to be involved in the worst forms of child labour and 60,000 are child domestic workers.
OldFashnd t1_is5p1nz wrote
You don’t get to decide when the time and place is to campaign against anything.
It may seem like I’m campaigning against EV’s to you, but that’s not what’s happening. I don’t have a problem with EV’s, never did, never said that I did.
I’ll happily fight for those kids too. I can’t know all of the ins and outs of every child labor force in the world, I’m just one person with a life and family of my own to take care of. Just because there are other places using child labor doesn’t mean this one isn’t an issue or is somehow acceptable. What you’re saying is like saying “why doesn’t the fca work towards ending child labor in other industries?” Because their mission is the cobalt mines. What did you expect me to do, post listing every child labor force in the DRC and explain steps to fix it? You keep trying to minimize it as if it isn’t a problem at all, and somehow the fact that their are other problems in the world makes this one acceptable.
Surur t1_is5vsb7 wrote
> You keep trying to minimize it as if it isn’t a problem at all
It's an incredibly minor problem for the topic, which is Li batteries. That is my whole point. It has already been addressed, and will become even smaller in the future.
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