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Mtbruning t1_iuhbvyb wrote

Reply to comment by Kinexity in New solar capacity 10 times cheaper than gas, says intelligence company Rystad by EnergyTransitionNews

To just name one solution, pumped hydro can be a non-battery solution to the non daylight hours. Water moved against gravity during the day to move mini-turbines at night. There are solutions. We just need to unleash our creativity.

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Kinexity t1_iuhg6tg wrote

You need:

  1. Place for two reservoirs with height difference
  2. With natural environment you're willing to destroy It's not all shine and rainbows. If it was that easy we would spam them everywhere.
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Mtbruning t1_iuhhf57 wrote

  1. Depending on the efficiency every water tower in the country could be converted.

  2. we could convert all the area currently devoted to power lines and relay stations.

For every problem you can mention there is a solution that creates a better environment (pun intended) than the current layers of infrastructure that we live with right now. Pumped hydro is just one. There is also batteries, wind, geo-thermo, wave, biochemical, hydrogen and others we haven’t even conceived of yet.

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Kinexity t1_iuhk6f1 wrote

Problem is energy density and it has no simple solution. Yes, you can convert water tower into little battery but how much energy is it even going to store? Quick napkin math based on typical water tower from Google (50m in height, 4 million litres) gives us only about 555 kWh. The less energy storage we need, the better. Hydrogen could replace gas for on demand power but it's inefficient to turn power into it and back. Wind sometimes blows, sometimes doesn't just like with the sun. I'm hearing geo-thermal constantly but I have yet to hear how is it supposed in countries where there isn't that much heat in the ground compared to eg. Iceland where they have fuckton of it. Wave has yet to prove itself unless you talk here about tidal power. Batteries - energy density problem, resources problem in case of chemical ones. Biochemical - never heard of that one, you're free to drop some sources. Each of those solutions comes with problems of their own which aren't that simple to mitigate. Yes, you can use them together and maybe from combining many problematic solutions get somewhat reliable power but that takes effort and many governments don't like effort.

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Mtbruning t1_iuhqfst wrote

The problem is that we have been controlling the price of fossil fuels and not allowing the power of actual capitalism to reward innovation. In the past 20 years the price of oil have ranged from $127 to 18 dollars a barrel while the price of gas has stayed relatively stable. In any other industry this would be considered price fixing. It is not in our national interest to stay with resources that require price controls to keep it stable. We need energy independence and renewables will provide that. Maintaining our current system is only benefiting those who currently control those resources and many of them are bad actors.

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pinkfootthegoose t1_iuhlb6n wrote

convenient how you didn't mention batteries. yes you can replace gas with solar.

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manugutito t1_iuigc2o wrote

They were literally replying to a comment that brought forward pumped hydro...

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Kinexity t1_iuhlvaw wrote

What kind of "got ya" moment is this? Batteries require fuckton of rare resources (at least chemical one like li-ion, slightly different with those liquid salt ones etc. but they have yet to scale up in production). You can deploy them on some scale (single houses, smaller towns) but it's unrealistic to think it's a solution viable at nation or global scal.

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pinkfootthegoose t1_iuho0jm wrote

lithium is not rare numbskull and they are already being deployed at scale. Most people that get home solar already get batteries to go with it. It's part of the package. and nobody said that the batteries had to be lithium.

do you know what is a limited resource? gas

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ChildrenAreOurDoom t1_iuhxug2 wrote

batteries mean strip-mining the earth and/or dredging the ocean floor.

There is no easy way out.

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pinkfootthegoose t1_iui4vkz wrote

no it does not. unlike oil and coal right?

you have fallen for the Nirvana fallacy

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