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idapitbwidiuatabip OP t1_iszpkcw wrote

> No we don't. We need a world where machines don't make people obsolete in their own societies

At least 100 years too late for that.

> Some pathetic UBI is no alternative to having a job and actually making your own living.

A UBI that meets basic survival needs actually empowers people to find or create jobs that are meaningful, and thrive while doing so.

> It's only a way to make a permanent slave class that relies on government handouts to survive, while the upper echelons of society live in even higher abundance and afford to buy more assets to make even more profit

What you're describing is what we have now. Most Americans live paycheck to paycheck. They are wage slaves and members of the precariat. Meanwhile, the rich continue to grow richer.

Just look at the past 30 years of data. The bottom 50% have been working hard to survive, but that's all they've managed to do.

https://www.cbo.gov/publication/57598

> It's those guys who will buy the homes which they will rent to the slave class, instead of you.

They already own the homes and they're currently renting to wage slaves. Are you unaware of the reality in which we live?

> UBI will just mean another costly wealth transfer scheme from public funds to the consumer, while the corporations and banks can cut their losses even further by not having to pay wages.

Please explain to me how companies could attract, much less retain workers - if they offer insufficient wages and can no longer leverage survival because everyone has UBI.

Already, companies are failing to attract & retain workers due to insufficient wages, and people don't even have the UBI to cover their survival.

If everyone had the means to survive without selling their time and labor, that takes the coercion out of all employer/employee relations because it makes work a choice.

Companies that don't pay high enough wages will not be able to attract or retain employees in a world where everyone receives UBI.

> This is not a good trajectory. This is an outright dystopian trajectory.

News flash, we're already on the dystopian trajectory. Eliminating poverty is the only thing that gives us a chance to change course.

> people have no independence and have to live on handouts,

The CTC gave parents more freedom. It didn't make them less independent. It didn't make them more dependent on the government. Giving money to parents gave them more independence because it gave them a little bit more economic power and choice.

> and the ones having all the wealth will continue buying the world bit by bit, manipulating the people and lobbying the government to further their own goals.

UBI changes it so everyone has wealth. If you understand that one of our main problems is the concentration of wealth, I'm not sure why you're opposing the most efficient method of redistributing wealth to all.

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