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EgielPBR t1_it88vmo wrote

Reply to comment by cuteman in A new UN report explores how to make human civilization safe from destruction. There’s a way to make civilization extinction-proof. But it won’t be easy. by mossadnik

With socialism, of course, it worked for the Aral Sea, China is also very environment-friendly, it isn't a violent system either, no concentration camps, genocide, censorship or anything like that.

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cuteman t1_it8hp46 wrote

The problem with marxism, socialism and communism is that they always seems to end in famine and genocide.

I might be open to them if there was a single successful example.

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Temporary-House304 t1_it8sv8x wrote

well really they have just been susceptible to dictatorship and u.s. intervention. I don’t think there is an example of communism that hasn’t fallen to either of those. Personally i’d hedge my bets more on social democracy working, much more palatable for the west and much more within reality without a bunch of people dying needlessly.

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cuteman t1_it8twdx wrote

Social democracy is still capitalism

The issue is that socialism or communism isn't self sustaining.

The only way models like scandinavian countries work is because of significant subsidy via capitalism.

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Petal_Chatoyance t1_it92lvt wrote

The problem with capitalism is that it always seems to end in a very small 1% owning everything, and everyone else starving, ending up homeless and destitute, no middle class, and those not homeless essentially abused serfs working for a cruel and uncaring oligarchy.

How's your paycheck lately, cuteman? You paying off that lovely home okay? Got that new car this year? You enjoying your vacation days? Got the required minimum million in the bank to begin a reasonable retirement savings?

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cuteman t1_it9aumf wrote

>The problem with capitalism is that it always seems to end in a very small 1% owning everything, and everyone else starving, ending up homeless and destitute, no middle class, and those not homeless essentially abused serfs working for a cruel and uncaring oligarchy.

You think that's any different in any other system?

Whether it's communism or feudalism it's the same.

>How's your paycheck lately, cuteman? You paying off that lovely home okay? Got that new car this year? You enjoying your vacation days? Got the required minimum million in the bank to begin a reasonable retirement savings?

I do very well because I've worked hard and built it from nothing.

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harrry46 t1_it9e298 wrote

You are, in all probability, arguing with an edgy teenager that frequents r/antiwork or any other of the chaos and anarchy forums. Save your breath. It's a lost cause.

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cuteman t1_it9yz7a wrote

This being reddit that's more the rule than the exception these days unfortunately.

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keviscount t1_itax5ow wrote

> The problem with capitalism is that it always seems to end in a very small 1% owning everything

Eh closer to top 20% owning 80% of things, most of the time.

> Got the required minimum million in the bank to begin a reasonable retirement savings?

If you think you need $1mil to begin saving for retirement then I suggest you stop posting online and get back to studying hard in school. Learn to code and don't piss away your teenage years being a doomer.

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Petal_Chatoyance t1_ite08hi wrote

I'm 62, and I have seen things and lived things you cannot even imagine.

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Petal_Chatoyance t1_it922vv wrote

Unless you are an Uyghur in 2022, in which case massive genocide and concentration camps. Or you say anything negative against Xi, in which case you will be disappeared. Or you support democracy, where you will be censored, and if necessary, killed. Or you protest, in which case you will be killed. Or you do anything the government of China does not approve of, in which case your Social Credit will tank and you will be unable to work, live, or travel.

But, other than that, China is a happy place.

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EgielPBR t1_it96jpf wrote

Sorry, I think you misinterpreted my comment lol That's on my tho, I forgot the /s

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