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rippierippo t1_ixgxjy6 wrote

Modern men have no incentive to support the system that force them to stress, anxiety, abuse and exploitation in the form of unreasonable demands. So most are checking out. Some are retiring early. Some coast at job. Some live minimalist lifestyle.

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[deleted] t1_ixhh5zt wrote

Yep. I'm currently coasting today. Maybe my boss will comment, or maybe in a few more months when projects lock up I'll get let go.

Don't really care about it.

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fish-rides-bike t1_ixhloy9 wrote

Most are checking out? The article says 7 mil. That’s under 10% of working age males. 90% are working.

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Douglas_Fresh t1_ixhve05 wrote

The internet likes to think no one is working, and that no one wants to. It's also a way to make them feel like "See it's not just me". Now, 10% is still quite high if that is the amount of people that simply don't care to work. Though, I wonder what % of that 10% decided to retire early? I don't see that as a problem. Also, for those who just decided to quit, where is their money coming from?

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fish-rides-bike t1_ixhx04l wrote

Also, we need to know if the number is changing much. The article states it’s been going on for decades, but doesn’t reveal the number from decades ago. If it’s normal that 8-9% have always been not in the workforce, that would be relevant. People with disabilities, people working in the black market, and people temporarily off due to paternity leave or stress leave and people in full time education would all comprise parts of that ten percent, I am presuming. But the articles also says it’s Depression Era levels, which were 25%, so that seems overstated as well

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Illustrious-Law-6649 t1_ixi7b2z wrote

I personally believe minimalistic living will be a thing of the future to combat the high stress with less than adequate pay. I will do with less nonsense (cable tv, upgraded electric devices, etc) and in turn have much more time available to do what I please.. not to mention Social Security will probably be gone by the time I’m eligible..

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Douglas_Fresh t1_ixicsik wrote

I tend to agree with this thought. Since covid I buy substantially less clothes as an example. But that might just be me getting older as well.

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Illustrious-Law-6649 t1_ixivfgb wrote

A second thought popped up for me.. if that happened, be careful the rich don’t flood the market with AI to take the place of humans not willing to work.. I can see things going in a bad direction if not controlled!

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Illustrious-Law-6649 t1_ixiv144 wrote

I think it would be interesting to see what the affects of that would be. Big businesses will have not only less people willing to work but in addition the demand will drop therefore cutting profit which will reduce the amount of workers needed. That simple type of change of living would dramatically alter the world as we know it.. I’m sure there’s a lot more it would change but that was just 1 simple talking point.

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twisted_cistern t1_ixiijtx wrote

Maybe their money is coming from the four catalytic converters that have been stolen from my prius in the last two years

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Ch1Guy t1_ixiclo6 wrote

The article also says:

>"Today, in 2022, American men suffer Depression-era employment rates"

Wasn't unemployment during the depression around 25%?

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fish-rides-bike t1_ixictt0 wrote

Yes. But I don’t see that unemployment rate today other than among young black men. Which has also been at this rate for decades.

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thetruthteller t1_ixh7ebx wrote

You make a good point about men, specifically not wanting to destroy their existence to earn a living from a company anymore. So job these days are basically seat, fillers, very low effort, essentially keeping the computers running, versus the computers, helping us with our tasks. I’ve also noticed a huge increase in women in companies, primarily in leader, ship and administrative roles, but very few in execution, type roles, with some exception, like nurses, teachers. I’m talking specifically about corporate America, which you can argue is the engine that runs the majority of America economy. no one respects work anymore. The current woke movement really demoralizes the role of men in society. So what is work anymore?

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Whole-Impression-709 t1_ixhgfz6 wrote

I worked on airplanes. High responsibility. High stress. Low appreciation from customers. Usually high cost of living areas. Mandatory 12 hour days when the schedule stacks up. And for all that, $35/hr. It seems like great money until $1500/mo rent, insurance, and all the other problems of living in the Northeast.

It wasn't worth it. Mistakes can cost lives, mistakes can cost freedom, and when the job goes over flat rate, "why aren't you done?"

I cashed out my 401k and moved my family to the woods. Got a place for $500/mo and made a new plan. Struggled the first 5 years but now we're on track

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