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perrochon t1_j0i0qhj wrote

They see the writing on the wall and are getting desperate. They have become like the dinosaurs they are selling.

Their problem is that it won't be trivial. Only if we let them can they succeed in keeping control of energy.

Their problem is that many people can charge at home/work/school/etc. There is no need to go to a station (except on road trips).

Even people who park on the street will have many options beyond "the station "

(Apartments dwellers will fit the most part charge in their spots, too)

We are at the cusp of an energy disruption with unlimited, cheap, clean energy (solar/wind/battery). It's only our own minds that are holding us back.

https://cleantechnica.com/2021/08/05/tony-seba-strikes-again/

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SatanLifeProTips t1_j0j5uvi wrote

The grocery store is the perfect location for FastDC (200+kW) chargers.

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eman0075 t1_j0icjfr wrote

A huge portion of electricity is generated by gas and oil. The oil companies don't care what kinda car you drive (ice or electric) theyll still continue to make billions annually.

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perrochon t1_j0ie6zr wrote

This is r/Futurology.

It's not about today, or even 2025.

We are at the beginning of an S-curve transition. It could take 10 years, or 20. But most here will be alive to see it.

Most capacity coming online in the US is renewable. Who would finance an expensive fossil fuel plant these days that will never make their investments back. They can't compete with sun or wind so they run only when it's dark and not windy.

It's already cheaper to build new renewable capacity than run existing fossil plants. Tesla Electric already flattens peak demand in Texas. More people will buy house batteries to avoid peak charges for gas plants, and many will actively arbitrage and/or sell their own solar at peak.

The rest of the world will follow, at different speeds. Those that still build fossil plants today will be slower, spend more money, and have more pollution.

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eman0075 t1_j0igdco wrote

20 years is still an optimistic expectation. Renewables only account for about 13% of energy demand in the US. The market is valued at around 900 billion dollars today and is expected to grow to around 2 trillion in 2030.so that's about double the current size. So that means by 2030 renewables will account for perhaps 30% of all energy demands. And thats assuming our energy needs don't keep increasing as they're likely to do. So we're nowhere near ending our dependency on fossil fuels.

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Kvenner001 t1_j0lk7u5 wrote

I hardly think they are getting desperate. They are just starting to shift portions of their ludicrously massive profits into the future energy sources. It will be the same companies running smart charging stations that make has now. They have the financing to do so and the incentive to price anyone else out.

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perrochon t1_j0lm60n wrote

How do they price out solar on a home?

Those outsized profit margins will suffer. They still will continue to profit from the hardcore ICE drivers who never drive electric, but those will die out.

They control oil, tankers, and raffineries, but they cannot control electricity. Neither can utilities, really.

There will be other large corporations though. Utilities want to be the new oil, of course.

But it's up to the people to steer this. Home solar is under attak on California. And heavily regulated in Florida, too.

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Kvenner001 t1_j0lsjc5 wrote

They’ll bribe the government into stating that the power company owns the panels on the homes. That’s what FPL has been working towards for the last three years.

They’ll find ways. They spent the last 100 years working systems into there favor. They aren’t just going to go away because the resources changed. They’ll bribe, buyout and coheres there way into maintaining power.

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perrochon t1_j0m8o06 wrote

Yes, Floridians get what they voted for. I doubt FPL actually has to bribe anyone to get what they want.

Californians, surprisingly, are about to get a raw deal, too. It boggles the mind how PGE and CPUC can hurt consumers.

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