djowinz t1_j2w1p3y wrote
You really shouldn’t eat Impossible Foods or Beyond Meat products. They’re ultra processed and more worrying is the long term side effects of leghemaglobin (Impossible Burger) which has had exceptionally little long term research on health impact for average consumers.
mhornberger t1_j2ycc9t wrote
> They’re ultra processed
Since Reddit seems to consider that a big deal, we should clarify what it means.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ultra-processed_food#Definition
The category includes things such as:
- Carbonated soft drinks, such as Pepsi and Coca-Cola
- Sweet, fatty or salty packaged snacks, such as Cheetos and potato chips
- Candies (confectionery), such as Snickers and Butterfinger
- Mass-produced packaged breads and buns, such as Wonder Bread and other White bread
- Cookies (biscuits), such as Oreo
- Pastries, such as Pepperidge Farm and Franz Family Bakeries
- Cakes and cake mixes, such as Duncan Hines and Pillsbury
- Margarine and other spreads, such as Smart Balance and I Can't Believe It's Not Butter!
- Sweetened breakfast cereals, such as Cocoa Puffs and Lucky Charms
- Sweetened fruit yoghurt and energy drinks, such as Go-Gurt and Monster Energy
- Powdered and packaged instant soups, noodles, and desserts, such as Cup Noodles and Campbell's Soup Company
- Pre-prepared meat, cheese, pasta and pizza dishes, such as Ball Park Franks and Jimmy Dean (brand)
- Poultry and fish nuggets and sticks, such as Tyson Foods and McDonald's Sausages, burgers, hot dogs, and other reconstituted meat products, such as Spam and Slim Jim (snack food)
People are going to have to exclude a lot of commonly eaten food to avoid everything that is 'ultra-processed.' Not just those that happen to be plant-based meat substitutes.
I'm not a consumer of any of the products from these two companies. I do like Quorn nuggets, by those are mycoprotein, so possibly a different thing. But I have them maybe a couple of times a year. But some people who are trying to reduce their meat intake have told me that they do try Beyond or Impossible from time to time, and they are serviceable facsimiles for their purpose. Not that burgers or sausage or whatever, either plant-based or meat-based, are exactly healthy.
labradore99 t1_j2w6wru wrote
I would eat lab-grown meat before I try one of those ultra-processed veggie things. Not saying they're dangerous, but it's unlikely that they are as good for you or safe as regular veggies.
linearphaze t1_j2znobg wrote
They aren't as healthy as plain meat that's for sure. I love people downvoting you for a personal opinion lol. You went against the hive mind.
Whitechapel726 t1_j30510b wrote
People aren’t downvoting for a difference in opinion. They’re downvoting because factory farming is objectively abhorrent, both morally and environmentally. When people try to discuss alternatives there’s always some goober that comes along whos suddenly a health expert with a contrarian opinion.
It’s just a dumb thing to say.
linearphaze t1_j305y8e wrote
Factory farming is morrally abhorrent is an opinion in itself. So is Factory farming. I live in Florida. We have a lot of cows. They deficate in the fields they roam. They drink water from man made lakes that don't need any mechanical refilling. They live most of their lives in fields. When it's time for slaughter they die instantly. They live a good life. I'll have my steak thanks. You eat frankenfood if you want. In my opinion the cows live a good life. I raise chickens in my back yard. They live a good life, then when i slaughter them, they die quickly. I have no need for highly processed pasteurized meat substitute. That's my opinion.
Whitechapel726 t1_j307476 wrote
I’m not talking about a farm raising a few cows and some chickens, or someone hunting their own animals. I’m talking about factory farms that slaughter animals by the thousands per hours. It’s terrible for the environment, not to mention the quality of the meat is poor. Plus it’s just fucking depressing to see
Morally less objective but I strongly disagree giving a cow “a good life” before you slaughter them is still not a pass. It still results in death and I see no difference in doing it with dogs, horses, hamsters, etc. if that happened people would lose their minds.
Do you call Coca-Cola or hot dogs frankfood?
linearphaze t1_j309hko wrote
I eat mainly meat, vegetables and fruit. I'll occasionally have something like tacos or sushi. Humans need to eat. It's a necessary evil. By growing crops, we mass kill insects and birds. Entire eco systems collapse by clearing land, applying pesticides, and fertilizer. People need to eat. We can't all hunt for food, or we would wipe the earth clean very quickly. Vegans and vegetarians are malnourished. Meat is an important staple for us to eat. Factory farming is a solution to starvation. Where do you draw the line exactly? How many wild animals get wiped out by farming? For any benefit, there is a loss. Doesn't matter what it is. If cows were in the wild and man never entered the picture, they would be constantly hunted by prey animals. They would be infected with bugs, worms, etc. They would die early anyway through predation, starvation, infection, ect. . A predatory animal takes time to kill. When you stop and think about it deeply, we are trading a better, healthier life in return for our predation and a quick kill. It's reasonable.
Life is cruel. Life is competitive. Nature is hell. It's simply reality. We are nature. You just favor a cute animal you can see being killed over the insects, wildlife, and natural environmental collapse you can't. We have to eat.
Whitechapel726 t1_j30btov wrote
lol you ignored every part of both my responses to just say “life sucks and we’re gonna do it anyway”. I’m not trying to convince you not to eat meat. I’m making the point that MASS PRODUCED factory farm meat is fucked up, and arguing to the contrary either confirms ignorance or argument in bad faith.
I’m a 6’4” 230lb bodybuilder who doesn’t eat meat, come over and tell me I’m malnourished and how protein works lmao.
TheMoonflow t1_j34jgtg wrote
Well done, you're a master at the art of dodging the debater's points.
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