KamikazeArchon t1_j6jpwp8 wrote on January 30, 2023 at 8:37 PM

It is impossible to implement any significant long-term change without changing the distribution of opinions. You can't build something around a structure that actively resists the thing you are building.

>It's the result of decades of anti-socialist indoctrination driven by the largest propaganda machine history has seen.

Yes, it is. That's why a necessary step for any large-scale change must be to build our own propaganda machine.

The exact shape of it will be different - messages are medium-dependent, and that specific existing machine is optimized for particular conservative messages. Just building the exact same thing wouldn't work. But we do need active, intentional, well-funded, coordinated messaging.

SantoshiEspada OP t1_j6kl83z wrote on January 31, 2023 at 12:00 AM

I like your thinking. would love to hear if you have any additional ideas

KamikazeArchon t1_j6ksn4x wrote on January 31, 2023 at 12:54 AM

Well, the good news is that this process is underway - there are people actively working on it, with much greater expertise than myself. The bad news is that it takes a lot of effort and time, and the people involved have to fight the existing propaganda machine.

One of the key elements of the success of the existing propaganda machine was the takeover of huge swaths of attention-share in mass media; the Murdoch empire and its satellites & affiliates.

Trying to buy a cable news channel now is not actually a way forward, for many reasons. However, there is a relatively new media battleground in social media. The old machine is certainly sinking its hooks into those new areas, primarily via "youthwashed" vectors ranging from Peterson to Tate, but it has not yet been as successful, and its hold isn't as strong, as in the "old media" world - leaving greater room to overcome those efforts and gain control on that battleground.

SantoshiEspada OP t1_j6l6uqt wrote on January 31, 2023 at 2:39 AM

It is true that social media has been time changing for current society, i.e. the Arab Spring would have not been the same without it. It's like McLuhan wet dream, but still it can be conveyed to a great amount of control from an interested party. Social platforms have in their hands a vast amount of power.