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BoysenberryLanky6112 t1_j6klah8 wrote

Seriously stop rationalizing ubi with something that could happen. People have been predicting automation eliminating jobs for literally ever and it hasn't happened yet. Sure it could happen this could be different, but maybe let's wait until unemployment is above the record lows we're at now to think about implementing it?

It's also worth noting that the Venn diagram of people convinced ai will take over and there will be massive unemployment therefore ubi is required and the people who wanted ubi and mass redistribution before ai was even a thing is basically a circle.

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SantoshiEspada OP t1_j6kllw6 wrote

So let's say there's a moment when we have the technological capacity to automate everything. (Let's say)
You are saying that it just won't happen?

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BoysenberryLanky6112 t1_j6kmmqr wrote

I'm saying that no one can predict what the result will be. I tend to think that if this actually happens money will cease to be necessary and a mix of charities and governments will basically set up a safety net that allows all of us to live like the kings of today due to it being basically free. Others like I'm assuming you think it will result in governments and corporations attempting to keep people down even though it would basically be free to not keep them down. If you're right about that, I would support a ubi and we could have that discussion. If I'm right I think a ubi would make absolutely no sense.

So what I'm saying is you're looking at something that may or may not happen in the next 100 years, and if it does happen there are a variety of ways it might take form and maybe things will happen that none of us could even think of now. So I'm saying having a discussion on how to optimize public policy for something that might not happen or if it does happen might look very different from what we all picture isn't particularly helpful. Furthermore, I think these discussions are used by people who don't like capitalism and free markets and instead want to have control themselves, so they use topics like this to sound intellectual, when in reality they're economically ignorant wannabe fascists. I'm not saying this is you specifically, but as I said the vast majority of people pushing ubi because of ai were pushing ubi and other mass redistributionism 20 years ago too.

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