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strvgglecity t1_j343g9z wrote

Reply to comment by bradland in Depressing subreddit by CatharticFarts

You sure know how to avoid saying "all the world's scientists agree we fucked up the whole planet, and no policy makers are listening, so realistically a futurology sub should discuss what is actually being predicted about our future based on the best data available, and not pie in the sky hopes and dreams from corporations selling robots to deliver tacos or whatever the fuck"

edit: not meant as an attack - just a reality check on why the sub attracts both users and content that appears "negative", when in fact it is just reality.

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SaintsNoah t1_j34apzn wrote

This is literally one of the extremes he's describing. It's all "just reality" to someone whose viewpoint aligns with such.

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strvgglecity t1_j358mpc wrote

Reality is not a viewpoint. It is a set of conclusions arrived based on the analysis of data. It's not formulated based on emotion or hope, fear or prejudice.

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strvgglecity t1_j34buua wrote

You just described scientists' estimates based on the best available information and data to be "an extreme". If you don't listen to scientific consensus, where does your basis for futurology come from? Please reevaluate your perceptions.

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SaintsNoah t1_j35s6f6 wrote

"no policymakers are listening" is blatant hyperbole. A falsehood, even.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paris_Agreement

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strvgglecity t1_j35xsnd wrote

"no" is hyperbole. True. "Few" is accurate. Every time a western nation makes a pledge, it couples it with opposite actions like increased oil drilling or natural gas exporting (for duh economy). Emissions are still rising each year. Local leaders are still pushing development in rapidly declining desert ecosystems. Building housing developments in hurricane alleys and floodplains. There is progress, but it is almost always one step forward, two steps back, with the trend line unchanged.

You're simply unwilling to accept the facts as determined by data. When you call peer-reviewed data-based analysis "extreme", you make clear you're not serious.

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maywander47 t1_j34b7g8 wrote

What we fucked up is the way we've been living. Life will go on. It just won't be like it's been.

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strvgglecity t1_j34bk5v wrote

Nobody doubts that life will go on. The discussion is about human society.

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maywander47 t1_j39y8cu wrote

Human society will survive, it just won't be like it has for the last couple of hundred years. Weather variability is going to be a chief driver, forcing agriculture to change drastically and the built environment as well.

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strvgglecity t1_j3a5hw9 wrote

Most of the world's climate scientists disagree with you. Society will collapse. It is almost one inevitable now. I don't know how you can look at the data, combined with our own first hand observations of daily occurrences, and believe that the systems we have today will be functional in 50 years.

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