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brydye456 t1_j4garee wrote

It absolutely will , and it will happen regardless of the minimum wage. Robots will always be cheaper in the long run and more reliable. Society will have to reckon with it soon.

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Cognitive_Spoon t1_j4ghr02 wrote

As in "this year" soon.

Pay attention to the news around automated service jobs this year, gonna be wild.

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bunnnythor t1_j4gxpu5 wrote

I wish that soon happens faster. If everyone is going to be unemployed in the near future, I need to start learning how to live off the land like a crazy mountain man.

Or to start mapping out the compounds that the rich will be hiding in. There should be good eatin’ there.

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JrrdWllms t1_j4hhqxg wrote

I, too, plan on eating the rich during the impending apocalypse.

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abrandis t1_j4i77e5 wrote

I doubt it, here's why.. Automation especially the mechanical variety (like industrial robots) are very very expensive and only make sense in industries where economy of scale benefits outweigh the costs (auto, airplanes etc.)...

Take fast food for example, assembling a burger is a heck of a lot easier than assembling a car, why haven't we seen automated kitchens? Because you're selling a burger for a few $$ and the cost of human labor is still cheap enough than to retrofit a fast food restaurant with expensive robots where the ROI could take years, and you still need people at the location because automation is very narrow focused (it may take an order, but won't mop the floor, clean the bathrooms, or answer customer questions / complaints ), the economics for most of these kind of low skill low pay jobs don't favor automation today.

Now the more high skilled white collar type of jobs, those are more at risk, but only certain categories, because lots of professional level jobs (doctors, lawyers, engineers) still have to work inside a regulatory framework that legally holds the person (human) liable for said work (that's why engineers sign off on blueprints and work authorizations), you can't just stick automation in place of the person the law hasn't adapted to that. So for certain classes of professional work, it's still pretty safe.

The most at risk are your entry level office workers, call center reps, entry level salespeople, entry or mid level finance, if your job involves looking at a spreadsheet or some website and making decisions about the data and then just updating it, yeah those jobs are going away.

But it all takes time and thats the main determinant of how much chaos AI will have in the job market , how quickly jobs get replaced... If tomorrow there's a cheap enough self drivig. Truck that puts all the trucking jobs at risk, yeah big problem, but if that takes a generation, not so big....

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Seattle2017 t1_j4kbyl4 wrote

software engineers often don't have any legal requirements. A few crazy places want iso9000 but that's almost a joke, a hugely painful and probably useless certification. Some big companies might use that. Anyway, we can automate ourselves out of a job very easily.

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PRwanderer t1_j4iqn6d wrote

They were saying this about automation in the 1890s. And at the turn of the century. And in the 1910s. And the 1920s. And the 1930s. And the 1940s. Oh yeah, and the 1950s, and the 1960s, and the 1970s, and the 1980s, and the 1990s, and then at ANOTHER turn of the century. Then, we realized that this was just fear mongering. Oh wait, no we didn't, because we kept saying it in the 2010s and again in the 2020s.

Are we noticing a pattern here yet?

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MarcusOrlyius t1_j4jd53w wrote

Yes, I notice that the percentage of the total population who work has decreased from over 80% before industrialisation to under 50% in 2019 in the UK.

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PRwanderer t1_j4jszui wrote

This is factually incorrect. Employment change in the United Kingdom averaged 39.74 Thousand from 1971 until 2022, reaching an all time high of 311.00 Thousand in March of 2014 and a record low of -424.00 Thousand in May of 2020, due to the pandemic.

The total employment rate of the UK in June of 2022 was 75.9%. Where are you pulling this "less than 50%" figure from? Your ass? Because it sure as hell isn't coming from the actual stats.

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MarcusOrlyius t1_j4k22ue wrote

I never said anything about employment rate.

How many people are employed in the UK? About 30 million. What is the population? About 65 million.

You'll find that less than 50% of the population are employed, exactly like I stated.

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brydye456 t1_j4jizab wrote

I don't think you quite understand technology.

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