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xcdesz t1_j4gi09k wrote

People said the same things about the personal computer when they were first being adopted. Look where we are now. Also look through history at almost every advancement in technology that automated jobs. The economy will move on and innovation will bring new opportunities for employment.

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Leege13 t1_j4gv3e2 wrote

The personal computer didn’t do all the work for you.

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asuyaa t1_j4gm9z1 wrote

I wonder whats the ration between jobs created by personal computers vs those that went extinct. But I'm not sure those statistics exist just interesting thought

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TheSecretAgenda t1_j4gu0rs wrote

There used to be huge typing pools at corporations all gone.

Telephone Operators gone.

When you replace human brains with AI there is no guarantee that new jobs will rise up to take their place.

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asuyaa t1_j4gubhz wrote

True but we did get the entirety of the IT sector and that must be a lot of new jobs and they also pay pretty well compared to those jobs you listed. I don't know what that means in terms of economics or low skilled workers im just making an observation

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InterestsVaryGreatly t1_j4gyo0f wrote

While the sector did pop up, the number of employed went down. Looking at the number of people apple or Google employ, versus what like sears and GM did during their hay day, it's drastically lower.

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Angelcstay t1_j4h6kz6 wrote

>True but we did get the entirety of the IT sector and that must be a lot of new jobs and they also pay pretty well compared to those jobs you listed. I don't know what that means in terms of economics or low skilled workers im just making an observation

Funny that you are talking about the IT sector because in the company where I am working we are already using AI assisted programming to assist our programmers in coding. Compared to 3 years ago we are seeing vast improvements in both complexity and efficiency. Obviously I am not allowed to speak on the technology which we are using.

I know there are opinions on this with many feeling that Programming/coders will be one of those jobs holding the last bastion against replacement by AI because simply to code is not enough but you will need levels of creativity to design a programming, which an AI might not have at our current level and not to mention testing as well.

Personally, from what I've seem with regards to the advancement it's only a matter of time. Heck just look at GPT-3

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asuyaa t1_j4h7j7g wrote

Yeah i agree it's moving very fast, hopefully this will push towards fewer working hours rather than low employment.

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TheSecretAgenda t1_j4gwk3m wrote

The pool of people that were typists is very different than the pool of people who can program and maintain AI and computer equipment. I'm afraid the bottom 50% of the population will be unemployable.

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InterestsVaryGreatly t1_j4gyfn2 wrote

The biggest difference is most of the automations of the past just shifted the working from doing the hard work to using the automation to do the hard work, a mostly neutral transition. Now significant portions of automation completely replace the worker, needing no human behind the wheel, but instead maintenance, which is multiple robots and thus multiple jobs per human, and builders/developers, which for the most part are one and done per job, thus not creating a sustainable job source.

This is not a bad thing, but the fundamental "work to live" needs to change, as so much of what needs to be done for society to function will shift to robotics and automation with very little oversight.

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dashingstag t1_j4h70ol wrote

It’s a different paradigm shift because pcs were used to store and calculate whereas AI is starting to make decisions and independently generate content. A business owner can’t just own computers without operators but he can own multiple AIs who don’t rest, who are smarter, who make less mistakes, who are cheaper.

Just 4 years ago I wrote a quora reply to the question “what jobs would be safe from AI” and someone said artists and I disagreed. Today we see AI winning art competitions and other human artists discredited because it looks like AI generated art. I can literally use AI to generate art then use a different AI to fill in gaps. The value of human generated art is plummeting when a dude can generate 1000 amazing art pieces in a day.

Eventually, there needs to be an AI tax and dividend or there won’t be any consumers left. Either that or a revolt’s happening. It’s a snake eating its own tail where we can produce unlimited products but no one that can afford it.

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Netrexinka t1_j4gsski wrote

I don't know man, computers were a medium through which we just did the same stuff but digitaly.

Now the stuff just makes itself.

Yes there will be other jobs created but lot more will be lost.

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xcdesz t1_j4gxb16 wrote

Not really.. business has always had goals to eliminate the jobs that were automated by computer programs. There were many newspaper and magazine articles on this topic. We just didnt hear the cacophany of doom in those early days because social media wasn't around.

Look at those people now, though. Are they better off or worse?

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dashingstag t1_j4h82eu wrote

Define worse because soft drinks and junk food are cheaper now but education, housing and healthcare are way more expensive now.

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rixtil41 t1_j4hwjw1 wrote

But it's not impossible. Those advancements still needed people for them to work that why we still have jobs.

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