joelmole79 t1_j6kwcr2 wrote on January 31, 2023 at 1:21 AM

Hollywood wants nothing more than to make self referential movies about their art, so I fully expect to see a dystopic movie covering this in a meta commentary on the subject.

The issue is I have a hard time with the idea of fully crossing the uncanny valley for things that are naturalistic and actor focused etc. Could they do something like this for cgi riddled action movies? Probably. But those have large special effects budgets. You’re arguing for the idea of automating out actor work with AI like other professions and forms of art. It would have to make financial sense and in many cases I think it would not. There’s a reason not all movies are animated or all filmed on green screens. I think it will be a long time before actors can be replaced fully in such a way that is believable, and in such a way that is affordable. Additionally I think people will stop caring to watch for many genres of movies.

I would be more immediately concerned with AI replacing or augmenting the writing process, because so many movies and shows follow similar tropes and plot lines. Additionally I’d expect to see AI augmentation for the animation process for movies that are legitimately animated, or use CGI backdrops / set pieces etc.

dangler001 OP t1_j6l2qki wrote on January 31, 2023 at 2:09 AM

> Hollywood wants nothing more than to make self referential movies about their art, so I fully expect to see a dystopic movie covering this in a meta commentary on the subject. >

S1m0ne is a movie about a totally AI model. I havent seen it, but it's my understanding that intitally, they present her as a real person... then I imagine get caught in the lie. idk. > > > The issue is I have a hard time with the idea of fully crossing the uncanny valley for things that are naturalistic and actor focused etc. Could they do something like this for cgi riddled action movies? Probably. But those have large special effects budgets.

I think we've seen in various forms that the tech is already capable of crossing the valley, the trouble now is time/expense. But as the tech improves it will only get quicker and less expensive, especially if they can reuse assets.

Also, I forgot to add the point to my OP that people are more and more trained to ignore imperfections with cgi. Most people now (and more as time goes on) are used to the cgi in games, and watching more and more anime and cgi movies/series'. I don't think uncanny valley will be an issue as time goes on.

>You’re arguing for the idea of automating out actor work with AI like other professions and forms of art. It would have to make financial sense and in many cases I think it would not. There’s a reason not all movies are animated or all filmed on green screens. I think it will be a long time before actors can be replaced fully in such a way that is believable, and in such a way that is affordable. Additionally I think people will stop caring to watch for many genres of movies. >

not really arguing for it, it's just the way I see things will probably go. 🤷‍♀️ With modern tech, it may not make financial sense, but it's all getting cheaper and cheaper (and faster and faster, and better and better). "There's a reason not all movies are animated or all filmed on green screens" currently. In 10 years? Who knows? And more a more movies are filmed on basically nothing but green screens, even scenes that I would have never thought they would do it on (like really simple stuff).

>Additionally I think people will stop caring to watch for many genres of movies.

I don't understand this comment.

> I would be more immediately concerned with AI replacing or augmenting the writing process, because so many movies and shows follow similar tropes and plot lines.

Yes, another point I forgot to add. I'm pretty sure they already have a Script Writing app they're working with. But it's not ready yet. I would assume the first working versions of this app would write the basic script, and then a human writer would do a rewrite.

>Additionally I’d expect to see AI augmentation for the animation process for movies that are legitimately animated, or use CGI backdrops / set pieces etc.

Yup, no reason not to. Another stepping stone...

joelmole79 t1_j6l58hl wrote on January 31, 2023 at 2:27 AM

Re: I don’t understand this comment:

I think it will turn people off and not work well for many genres. I wouldn’t assume this idea, even if feasible, would work as well for any type of movie under the sun. So if possible, it will be tried with varying success. It’s great for movies that are trying to make a commentary about AI and there are quite a few. It’s been tried in some limited ways for action and Sci-Fi movies. But I wouldn’t expect, for example, to see Laura Linney replaced in Ozark, or Ana De Armas in Blonde. What’s the point? We watch these things to see real humans doing things that people do. Dramatic performances - in the absence of a real person, what’s the fucking point? I would lose interest.

dangler001 OP t1_j6l7879 wrote on January 31, 2023 at 2:42 AM

thanks for the clarification

>Dramatic performances - in the absence of a real person, what’s the fucking point? I would lose interest.

There are plenty of sentimental and dramatic animes and games out there that people really love.

What's the point? 1) aging starts continuing on. They will love the oportunity to continue to get paid without having to actually work. And the studios would love to be able to push a few buttons on their computer and pump out the next Angelina Jolie and Bruce Willis blockbuster... especially if they don't actually have to deal with (asshole) actors.

also, I would like to point out that this is just a discussion on the future, I'm not trying to say this will happen now or even the next few years (except maybe Step 1). People will get more used to this things, as they already are getting used to cgi. etc...