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odetothefireman t1_j8p68lj wrote

Reply to comment by Heap_Good_Firewater in New York City homeless problem by Accomplished-Lime806

Everyone loves to mention the white utopia in their dream scenario

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[deleted] t1_j8p84c5 wrote

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odetothefireman t1_j8pfnmy wrote

You may want to go look at your comments. You mentioned Japan. I retorted with high suicide rate. I mentioned that everyone points to those 2 countries, and yet, it’s 99% white. I find it ironic.

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Heap_Good_Firewater t1_j8pj1w8 wrote

Why should race make any difference?

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odetothefireman t1_j8pm9x9 wrote

Because. These are the 2 countries propagated by socialists that argue these are the top tier of our goal. And yet, they can’t pint to any other place that it works.

What is the unique qualifier or difference. Homogeneity and small population. Race is simply an afterthought

Ironic, no?

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Heap_Good_Firewater t1_j8poj4l wrote

Now you're making a little sense. Smaller, homogeneous population does help, "whiteness" has nothing to do with it. I would argue that high levels of social trust is the key, and this is helped by homogeneity. People are more willing to pay into a welfare system if they think it will help people like them, but this is not an insurmountable problem.

Importantly, Neither Sweden or Denmark are "socialist". They are "social democratic". Sweden outranks the US for business friendliness, competitiveness and entrepreneurship.

"Socialist" means that the workers (or the state) owns the means of production. No private ownership of any companies is allowed (East Germany, North Korea, Cuba until recently, etc.).

Sweden and Denmark derive 70-80% of their GDP from privately owned (AKA "capitalist") businesses.

The Nordic model is mostly capitalist but with a sizeable (but shrinking) state-owned sector (mostly utilities and old-school heavy industry). There are also very high marginal tax rates and a strong social safety net.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2E0dWHCnic8

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>And yet, they can’t pint to any other place that it works.

Germany has most of the same policies, and they are a large, successful, diverse country.

Where else has the Nordic Model been adopted and failed?

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Note: Japan succeeded in part because of high levels of social trust and extreme homogeneity, but they stalled out because of terminal demographics. The Nordic countries did a better job of keeping birth rates up.

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