billetea t1_j9m0les wrote on February 22, 2023 at 10:59 PM

Short answer is yes. Whether a commons, billboards or bulletin board - all these are policed and laws applied. If you trip on a manhole in a town square and fall down breaking a leg, the council is liable. The days of the Internet being the wild west are over and frankly good. Humans don't need a space to express themselves - we need a tool to build better lives, spread equality and opportunity and beneficial connection. Not flat earthers, terrorists and other low life losers and criminals.

joey_diaz_wings t1_j9p2c07 wrote on February 23, 2023 at 3:49 PM

We don't need ideological curation, censors, or astroturfed conversations that limit the ideas people can discuss.

It's ultimately beneficial to humanity if people can communicate freely and naturally rather than in the tiny bubble of commercial discourse so ads can be sold. Repeating only permitted ideas is infantile.

billetea t1_j9qc22j wrote on February 23, 2023 at 8:32 PM

What absolute bullshit. We already have controls on what we discuss - terrorism, paedophilia, etc. It's not ideological to remove those discussions- It's civilisation. The problem with unfiltered social media is it leads to the congregation of idiots and evil.

Zuckerberg keeps calling it the town hall, but towns have idiots and people who are very sick in the head and they now congregate.

Previously they were ostracised and outsiders in their community but now thanks to the internet the one moron in each town who thought the world was flat now congregates with the one village idiot from the other million towns across the world making their numbers promotable by the stupid algorithms behind social media. Net result we have a rise in Flat Earth theory. Bravo for our civilisation.

I'm all for the free discourse of ideas that advance the human civilisation, but Joe and Bob down on the corner sharing their love of snuff porn or sharing photos of little kids should be excised from our society. Otherwise, we are bound for idiocracy.

joey_diaz_wings t1_j9ufmhp wrote on February 24, 2023 at 5:14 PM

We're already bound for idiocracy: look who breeds and who abstains. Demographics are destiny.

Idiots are already discussing idiotic topics when not consuming idiotic media. Accepting this, why not also allow intelligent people to discuss topics without imposing moderators who only permit opinions and ideas that can be accompanied by advertising revenue?

The idea of online "community standards" is absurd for large sites like Facebook. There is no community. People should be allowed to talk about topics of interest and organize however they like. We've even seen PayPal insist they are a "community" with standards that can impose financial penalties when people discuss ideas contrary to their baseless rules.

The crazies will do whatever they do. We should preserve some space for sane adults too where censors cannot intrude and silence us all to infantile norms.

stephruvy t1_j9mvmxq wrote on February 23, 2023 at 2:43 AM

But will I still be able to download stl models for printing or get... Pirated ebooks for my college classes? 🤔

CarCaste t1_j9nv8h7 wrote on February 23, 2023 at 8:42 AM

sounds fascist

billetea t1_j9o0me9 wrote on February 23, 2023 at 9:59 AM

Haha. Do you even know what fascism is?

I'm saying It's the end of liability free behaviour by major social media and online news service entities.. like a normal business, they should not be able to promote lies, incite violence or terrorism, host criminal material. That's being civilised. Even the Wild West had rules. It's not like they're a bunch of teenagers working out of their parents basement anymore. They're bigger and vastly more powerful than companies that are heavily regulated.

I think we are all getting to the end of endless self actualisation... even paedophiles are trying to normalise their behaviour as a sexual deviation or compare it to being something relatively normal like being gay rather than an evil act.. that's because they can congregate and normalise online.

Shineliketheson t1_j9o57xe wrote on February 23, 2023 at 11:03 AM

So, who gets to decide what is true, what opinion matters, what theory is a conspiracy, etc? What you are proposing is what leads to fascism. Only a few decide all of the above.

billetea t1_j9o5nqk wrote on February 23, 2023 at 11:09 AM

We have a functional legal system and a functional democracy. Who said anything about one person making the decision. We have worked out regulations and laws for centuries - why so little faith now? II don't get how that somehow ends in fascism. How do you think we worked out property laws, libel laws, any law for that matter?

What we currently confront is a small group of extremely wealthy and powerful people who think they stand above the our legal and political system. That needs to end. They are not above either and their platforms need to be brought to account to the legal system and to the people. Their argument that what they've created is somehow a uniquely separate ecosystem to that which the rest of us operates is bullshit.. it's elitism. It's why we had revolutions to devolve power to the people away from kings and others who held individual power over us.