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Some_Outcome3741 t1_j3o6b8t wrote

No actually, then you never learn to get back up by yourself. So when you fall, you fall hard.

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Turbulent_Cow_5652 t1_j3orugk wrote

It is not one or the other, but both. Yes, we can learn by trial and error. Personal experience is highly impactful and useful. We can also learn by analyzing the actions that other people make. We don't necessarily have to repeat the same errors in order to gain valuable insights. For example, you don't have to become an addict to know the devastating impact of substance abuse. All you have to do is to drive down the street where junkies shoot up drugs in broad daylight. That's what I meant by saying it is much less costly, because the price is too high to pay to learn this kind of lesson. By no mean am I implying that you should avoid taking risks or failures. Making mistakes is an important part of the learning process. Practice makes perfect through repetition and muscle memories, but practice making perfect mistakes also makes you an expert in failing. Parents who chastise their children when they make mistakes may not realize the enormous harm they are causing. Doing so makes children afraid to take risks, instills self-doubt, and anger. Instead, parents should give their children encouragement and discuss ways they can improve their chance of success the next time. No shouting. No demeaning. Just guidance. That is what some commentors misunderstood about what I said.

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Some_Outcome3741 t1_j3ou368 wrote

I don't even know what you're trying to say. Don't practice after you fail at doing something or else that means I'm practising making mistakes? I thought the post was about learning from your mistakes.

My flow chart: Practice -> Game time -> Lose -> *Review* -> New Strategy -> Repeat.

Your flow chart: Practice -> Game time -> Lose -> Cry -> Give up because it's a waste of money/time/effort.

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Turbulent_Cow_5652 t1_j3owdua wrote

"I don't know what you're trying to say."

It's okay if you are unclear about something. You ask someone to clarify. Nowhere have I suggested that you don't practice to get better after failing. My point is that (and I'll use your term) before "game time", you have to make sure that you are practicing the right way with the right techniques. That's the reason people have coaches and teachers to model how to do something properly. They are also there to point out what you are doing right and doing wrong during your practice, so you can correct your mistakes. "Cry"? I have no idea where you get that from, but there is no shame in crying if that makes you feel better before you try again.

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Some_Outcome3741 t1_j3ozlsn wrote

I even highlighted the Review part and you still missed it!

I'm referring to crying like what one does when they quit because they cant win. Unsportsmanlike, will only play if they're winning.

It's like you have to argue, even though you agree with me completely, I just don't agree with the way you said it you still need to produce some word salad of why you're right and I'm wrong.

We agree my flowchart is better, assuming you didn't like the one I drew up for the participation trophy winners.

I do get what you're saying, it's hard to change your slap shot because a coach said you're doing it wrong after taking 100,000 shots. Un-training and then re-training is a lot harder than training, but when we talk about learning from our mistakes we aren't talking about hiring a professional to evaluate me.

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Turbulent_Cow_5652 t1_j3p6bkl wrote

You are entitled to your opinion. I have no problem with anyone who disagrees with my points of view. To be honest, I just don't like the way you speak to me. It's not coming from a place of trying to learn and understand each other but to accuse and to project your own biases. For these reasons, I won't be responding to your comments anymore. It's not worth my time or energy.

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