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Eaklony t1_jcbfrk2 wrote

There is a reason why the advanced countries in the world are capitalism countries. Money is mechanism to control long term advancement of pretty much anything in our society. I don’t think anybody should be surprised AI development can’t be forever fully open sourced. Maybe some day it will, but certainly not before some major (global) social reformation.

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bartturner t1_jcbh70h wrote

But it has been up to this point. ChatGPT is based on a technology breakthrough by Google.

There should be strong push back on OpenAI behavior. Otherwise we might end up with Google and others now sharing their incredible breakthroughs.

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Eaklony t1_jcbkqgk wrote

That's not how capitalism works. To produce chatgpt they need a lot of money for a huge GPU farm, which needs to be invested by people who expect profits from it. If we want everything to be open sourced then chatgpt as it is now probably wouldn't be possible at all. But anyway I think basic theoretical breakthroughs like a new architecture for AI will still be shared among academia since those aren't directly related to money. Hopefully, it would just be the detailed implementation of actual products that aren't open source.

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Nhabls t1_jcbmn7g wrote

> If we want everything to be open sourced then chatgpt as it is now probably wouldn't be possible at all

All of the technology concepts behind chatGPT are openly accessible and have been for the past decade, as was the work before, a lot of it came from big tech companies that work for profit, the profit motive is not an excuse. Only unprecedented greed in the space.

Though it comes to no surprise from the company that thinks it can just take any copyrighted data from the internet without any permission while at the same time forbid others from training models from data they get from the company's products. It's just sleaziness at every level.

>But anyway I think basic theoretical breakthroughs like a new architecture for AI will still be shared among academia since those aren't directly related to money

This is exactly what hasn't happened, they refused outright to share any architectural detail, no one was expecting the weights or even code. This is what people are upset about, and rightly so

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bartturner t1_jcbmg57 wrote

> That's not how capitalism works.

Totally get that it makes no business sense that Google gives away so much stuff. Look at Android. They let Amazon use it for all their stuff.

But I still love it. I wish more companies rolled like Google. They feel like lifting all boats also lifts theirs.

Google being the AI leader for the last decade plus they have set a way of doing things.

OpenAI is not doing the same and that really sucks. I hope the others will not follow the approach by OpenAI and instead continue to roll like they have.

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ComprehensiveBoss815 t1_jcbpqhb wrote

Then OpenAI should change their name to CapitalismAI and let a open source team of volunteers use the domain and project name.

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VelveteenAmbush t1_jcbv79q wrote

The fact that they make their stuff available commercially via API is enough to make them 100x more "open" than the big tech companies.

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