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RobbinDeBank OP t1_ixhk2f7 wrote

Reply to comment by MrAcurite in [D] Schmidhuber: LeCun's "5 best ideas 2012-22” are mostly from my lab, and older by RobbinDeBank

Better play it safe by citing him in your introduction:
“In recent years, machine learning [1] has achieved….
[1] Schmidhuber et al. (Dawn of time)”

On a side note: he’s a brilliant mind with so many ideas that deserve more recognition, but on the other hand, he can’t just claim that nobody else has original ideas. I’m sure many of his ideas are now independently rediscovered in recent breakthroughs by many other researchers with no knowledge of some vaguely related papers from decades ago.

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Ulfgardleo t1_ixhlloe wrote

but he does not claim that. What he does claim is that developments in his lab predate those ideas. It might be that those ideas were rediscovered independently by others, but as in so many things, who is first matters. And from a scientific point of view, not doing literature review for ones own ideas is bad science, and especially so if a lab strategically avoids citing some other lab.

It shouldn't be so difficult to write "idea X [1] rediscovered by [more prominent 2] has led to" in ones work.

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MrAcurite t1_ixjgpkd wrote

> And from a scientific point of view, not doing literature review for ones own ideas is bad science

I'd like to agree, but honestly ML is at the point where you couldn't possibly exhaustively review the literature to make sure your own work is original. I think you should make a sincere attempt at it, but the volume of publications per unit time is just beyond the ability of a human being to handle.

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RobbinDeBank OP t1_ixhmsqs wrote

I don’t mean this very post but his attitudes overall on this topic. There are definitely breakthrough out there where authors don’t know about the existence of Schmidhuber’s related works from a long time ago under different terminologies. He’s probably the most brilliant mind in this field with the amount of original ideas he has, but most of those aren’t popularized and might be independently rediscovered decades later.

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[deleted] t1_ixi25ng wrote

I'd never heard of the guy before he started being famous for his whining.

And I'd had many of the same ideas during the "AI winter".

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ureepamuree t1_ixi9uqc wrote

Do share the link of your arxiv submissions (or wherever you published them) and give us a chance to read in-depth about your approach those ideas. Thanks

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