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pedrorq t1_itlflhv wrote

... What do you mean?! They're green and there's shamrocks!

/s

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AZ_sid t1_itm8bow wrote

Gotta admit, that checks out.

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Neozetare t1_itlhn87 wrote

😡 Irish

🙂 US Intl

😀 Not Irish

🤩 Irishn't

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DiplomacyPunIn10Did OP t1_itlhx8j wrote

You could even call them "Dutch" and be at least partially correct.

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jaavaaguru t1_itn52w7 wrote

No more correct than saying Irish though, since I see í and ó which are used in Irish.

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DiplomacyPunIn10Did OP t1_itn64xn wrote

“Dutch” is partially correct because this layout is the predominant layout used in the Netherlands.

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Brvadent t1_itmubh8 wrote

Intermediate Dutch speaker here. How?

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DiplomacyPunIn10Did OP t1_itmzllu wrote

Because US International is the most widely used keyboard layout in the Netherlands.

Not really a Dutch language layout. More of a Dutch people layout. Thus partially correct.

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Rogntudjuuuu t1_itpzgcg wrote

It is? What kind of keyboard do they use typically, ISO or ANSI?

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DiplomacyPunIn10Did OP t1_itq1lcc wrote

I think they primarily use ANSI, but all ANSI-based layouts work just fine on ISO boards.

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EddoWagt t1_itmykzs wrote

Tremas (don't know the English word) and accents exist in Dutch, they're just not common

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Brvadent t1_itmyvyw wrote

But that doesn't make these dutch sublegends does it?

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Reddit_Shadowban_Why t1_itmzbgs wrote

That's where the partially correct part comes into play

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DiplomacyPunIn10Did OP t1_itnao02 wrote

Partially correct for a different reason. US International is the most widely used layout in the Netherlands.

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wellenkopf t1_itper96 wrote

And then there's US Alt Intl. that strangely enough cancels out the need for the right Alt key. Instead, for an 'é' for example, you just press ' and then e, no need to hold them. I just can't remember if that's a linux thing or also common on Windows...

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DiplomacyPunIn10Did OP t1_itpfv8p wrote

That’s already part of US International. There are dead keys on ‘ ` ^ ~ and possibly a couple others.

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mygodhasabiggerdick t1_itlqgrf wrote

Fer fucks sake...

I see ø and å which are uses in Scandinavian.
I see ñ used in Spanish etc
I see ä ü ö ans ß which are German (DACH)

How the fuck is this anything other than a Spaghettio-s of EU letters?

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DiplomacyPunIn10Did OP t1_itlv17a wrote

It’s US International, which is intended as a multilingual layout.

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Affenskrotum t1_itmsk8k wrote

I hate it

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DiplomacyPunIn10Did OP t1_itmyzbj wrote

It looks odd, but it's really very useful to type with if you have to use those characters on a semi-regular basis.

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mygodhasabiggerdick t1_itoxzzp wrote

As an American living in Germany, I do understand the functionality of them. My laptop does not have this, I had to learn all the shortcuts.

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DiplomacyPunIn10Did OP t1_itpgbzq wrote

If you’re using Windows or Linux you should have access to this under your language settings. Mac has its own version.

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mygodhasabiggerdick t1_itpk644 wrote

Yeah. US keyboard, so I need to alt-click U for ¨ then re-tap the U to get Ü

Its a pain, but Ive gotten used to it.

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DHermit t1_itp0fi2 wrote

As I German I use in all the time. I work in academia and do lots of programming do an US layout is much better most of time. But from time to time I need to write a message or mail in German and then ß, ä, ö, ü come in handy.

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Varpie t1_itm5156 wrote

Ah yes, the Scandinavian language, my favorite

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1-more t1_itmlh3q wrote

To be fair it takes some remembering to know which uses ø vs ö for “oe” and it’s complicated by œ being used in old Norse and æ being used in a bunch of them currently. Easy to remember that ø isn’t used outside of (geographically bounded) Scandinavia but hard to remember where specifically it is used within there.

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flecom t1_itojuyx wrote

A Møøse once bit my sister...

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cglavan83 t1_itoklfx wrote

Those responsible for writing the comments have been sacked.

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sjuswede t1_itow26y wrote

If you by "geographically bounded Scandinavia" mean the Scandinavian peninsula, your rule of thumb is incorrect.

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1-more t1_itq1a5z wrote

I mean that there are Southern Sámi (Uralic language) speakers within Sweden and Norway using ø as welll as the Swedish, Norwegian, and Faroese speakers using ø. The Southern Sámi speakers are within Scandinavia, but their language isn’t related to any Indo-European language (or we haven’t found a common ancestor yet). So you could call it a Scandinavian language in that it is located entirely within Scandinavia. But if you use Scandinavian to mean a language that is “northern Germanic and related to Faroese, Swedish, Danish, both Norwegians, etc” then that would be wrong.

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sjuswede t1_itqcfvr wrote

You will find that Sami does not use ø, and nor does Swedish. The only languages that do are Danish and Norwegian, and Føroyskt mál which is most definitely not connected geographically to anything Scandinavian.

Denmark and the Faroe islands are not in the Scandinavian peninsula. Only Norway is, of the countries with languages which use ø.

Scandinavian, as language, in modern times encompasses Norwegian, Danish, Swedish and Icelandic, with Føroysk as a minor language. Three of those use ø, meaning it is more correct (though still incorrect) to speak of them as using ø.

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1-more t1_itqcn9l wrote

Omg I’m a buffoon, I meant ö the entire time like a CHUMP. sorry I got gm that switched.

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that-short-girl t1_itpipj1 wrote

Denmark isn’t in Scandinavia though and they use ø rather than ö

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1-more t1_itq1m93 wrote

Huh yeah guess you can’t really count it as in there since it’s over the water next to Germany. I know it’s somewhat intelligible with Swedish is all. I am playing fast and loose with the definitions here to be charitable to the original commenter.

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mygodhasabiggerdick t1_itoy42k wrote

Yeah...yeah... Swedish, Danish, Norwegian, Finnish (maybe...?) .... Fuck me for being too tired to type last night. You heathens know what I meant.

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Varpie t1_itoznxs wrote

Finland can be seen as a Scandinavian country, but language wise, the Nordic languages are Danish, Swedish, Norwegian, Faroese and Icelandic. And the alphabet is not common between them, for instance Swedish doesn't have ø but use ö instead, and Icelandic has ð and more accents.

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DiplomacyPunIn10Did OP t1_itpzoek wrote

In terms of keyboard layouts, though, the Danish, Norwegian, Swedish, Finnish, Faroese, Greenlandic, and Estonian layouts are all very closely related.

Icelandic is kind of an oddball mix of Danish layout, US layout, and a few keys that don't show up anywhere else.

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Kiwii2006 t1_itlu2xt wrote

ss isn’t used in CH, so only äöü DACHLULI and ß DA

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Poschta t1_itpswpv wrote

DACH is one mad miss at a chance to call a region CHAD.

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mygodhasabiggerdick t1_itw1ruy wrote

Deutschland
Austria
Confederation Helvetica.

Which in itself is all over the place as well...

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DiplomacyPunIn10Did OP t1_itlkyrn wrote

For good or ill, I think the layout most likely to get recognized as Canadian will be the Canadian Multilingual one instead.

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[deleted] t1_itllxhj wrote

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Tharrinne t1_ito8ley wrote

The CMS at least has the accents but it's horrible even for this Frenchie... Canadian French is in every way better (for FRENCH Canadians; IMHO and I assume). Though both are software. There's English Canadian too in there.

In Canada, the keyboards you'll find are either US layout or ISO CMS layout. I used to type on CMS with AZERTY french settings and just used the AZERTYUIOP as the home row: had the Enter close enough and all vowels in 1 row it just sucked that the shift keys were further.

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alext5 t1_itm4j96 wrote

False. I’ve never worked for the government and used that layout in the past, although I’m functional with the two Canadian layouts along with “US layout” if I am only working in a terminal with no accents :)

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Travis_Cauthon t1_itlq4oz wrote

There could be a good reason for that (other than 'Merica which is an amazing reason) which is the layout was likely conceived in the good old US. (Edit the "American amazing" thing is a joke)

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rasvial t1_itmfb1f wrote

Idk why you're getting downvotes..

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/QWERTY#:~:text=The%20QWERTY%20layout%20was%20devised,Soul%C3%A9.

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JaccoW t1_itmtosy wrote

Mostly because "'Merica is an amazing reason" is the kind of cockiness that's not particularly funny to the rest of the world. Kind of cringe really.

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Duhlune t1_itn81b9 wrote

Is there not satire in other countries?

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Tharrinne t1_ito90bk wrote

What's this "other countries" you speak of?

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Qbopper t1_itluibt wrote

I am the #1 anti US defaultism poster, but tbf, we have Canadian layouts that have french on the keys as well

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lille082 t1_itmfrk8 wrote

Of course it’s not Irish, it doesn’t say “Caps Lough”

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DiplomacyPunIn10Did OP t1_itlge45 wrote

With the group buy for CRP R5, I thought it might be time to share this particular pet peeve that seems to be weirdly widespread.

The legends that Hammer, 21kb, and others have been advertising for quite some time as being "Irish" sublegends are not Irish at all. They are, instead, the US International layout, a layout useful for persons who type primarily on a US keyboard but that need to access characters used by Western and Northern European languages. This layout is also widely used in The Netherlands.

The actual Irish layout is nearly identical to the UK layout.

My suspicion is that this error started with one manufacturer who didn't know any better and has since proliferated. Please stop using a country's name to label and sell a product that has nothing to do with that country. Or, at the very least, do like Syruplabs and start labeling these kits correctly as Not Irish.

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DiplomacyPunIn10Did OP t1_itlid13 wrote

Addendum:

pwade found what appears to be the source of the original error, a run of keycaps from IMSTO. There, the layout was labeled "Irish(USIntl)," which at least got the second part right.

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wosmo t1_itlz90g wrote

That makes it look like "Irish" was intended as a colourway. Within that description, there's no rhyme or rhythm between where they use layout(colours) and colours(layout).

But then they also call US-ANSI "normal english", so .. the idea that anyone would learn layout names from that is worrying.

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docentmark t1_itlk8o4 wrote

US International isn’t so much widely used in the Netherlands as it is the only layout commonly used in the Netherlands. The main exception is when people buy stuff in neighbouring countries, so the occasional QWERTZ keyboard is seen, for example.

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Pinkisacoloryes t1_itnh07i wrote

I could be wrong but the imsto pbt group buy may have been the original. Simply subdyed gateron caps. They had different colorways and the green was called Irish. Not sure if it existed prior to that.

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TypicalOranges t1_itmnitg wrote

> My suspicion is that this error started

Hi! The only error here is in your inference that people are referring to the sublegends when they call this keyset Irish! They are very much referring to the colorway as "Irish". Very hard mistake to make, but don't worry! Irish isn't everyone's first language!

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DiplomacyPunIn10Did OP t1_itmq6gr wrote

I hope you're being sarcastic, as there are multiple instances.

21kb Irish Classic Retro Beige

>Featuring Irish sublegends

Wuque Studio GR Irish

Colorway that's not Irish-themed, just the same layout.

KPRepublic green Irish layout

>Font: Irish Languange+Standard US Font

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TypicalOranges t1_itmqf64 wrote

I hope you're being sarcastic and this entire post is an elaborate troll, because i find it exceptionally hard to believe people like you actually fucking exist.

Those are chinese clone factory stores. They probably name their fake Yeezy's wrong, too. They do not speak English fluently and are thus prone to naming shit incorrectly, especially when they're ripping the design from some other keyset.

I'd recommend you repost this PSA on Chinese community forums translated appropriately into Mandarin to reach your target audience.

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BanHammerGotim t1_itlr3sc wrote

Aren't these just international sublegends?

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TypicalOranges t1_itmny2y wrote

They are very obviously US-Int'l legends.

OP just made an error.

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TypicalOranges t1_itmn7vp wrote

Hey man, no one calls those sublegends Irish. They call the colorway Irish because it includes a mix of greens on white with the clover novelties. This is quite obviously a US-Int'l layout!

Hope that clears things up for you!

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jh_2719 t1_itp6kmo wrote

What about the multitude of sets which are not the greens and whites and still called Irish?

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TypicalOranges t1_itqgioc wrote

> What about the multitude of sets which are not the greens and whites and still called Irish?

Do you mean Chinese clone manu's that have poor translation?

Or do you mean legitimate English speaking vendors that would actually be able to read this oh so helpful PSA?

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jh_2719 t1_itqkw6h wrote

> Chinese clone manu's

Please tell me what they're cloning. Or are you going to tell me that using US-International legends is cloning.

NoPun is correct in informing people that the set isn't 'Irish' sublegends, as people buying it under that pretense are not in fact buying what they think they are due to how the sublegend type name has got mixed over the years.

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DiplomacyPunIn10Did OP t1_itqqw37 wrote

21kb is based in the US.

Wuque has been making products for the Western market for a while now, including the Ikki 68 keyboard series. They have people dedicated to maintaining English-language social media.

KPRepublic is a vendor for a variety of brands. They are based in China, but they do speak English as well. They have been selling products worldwide for years at this point.

And the audience isn’t solely vendors anyway. Educating fellow customers is one way to bring about change, as it increases the likelihood that the correction is actually mentioned and reaches the people who are currently advertising the product incorrectly.

Even the Chinese clone manufacturers, as you refer to, watch English language social media. That’s part of how they determine which keysets are popular enough to be worth ripping off.

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feiergeier t1_itp6ukn wrote

This seems to be the only right answer here.

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TypicalOranges t1_itqgd1n wrote

he's just gonna repost some chinese clone manu's that have the names wrong lmao.

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Harke_KB t1_itlicc3 wrote

funnily enough the renders used in the r/mm gb post say US-INTL https://imgur.com/a/t9kvoI5

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DiplomacyPunIn10Did OP t1_itlikh6 wrote

After some persuading, Syruplabs corrected them and changed the store page to call them "Not Irish." I really appreciate him doing that.

However, I don't think that change has spread to the other vendors yet.

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purple_rw t1_itmtf6a wrote

The Chinese characters next to US-INTL still says Irish.

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wosmo t1_itly90s wrote

They could at least change 'Super' to 'Grand'

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IHateYouFuckingPpl t1_itm27gu wrote

I don’t think anyone but you cares what it’s called tbh

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saurterrs t1_itorxhq wrote

And maybe people who actually search for set of keys for irish layout but got this?

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IHateYouFuckingPpl t1_itotu8o wrote

If ur buying crp u know exactly what it is and what ur getting.

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saurterrs t1_itov05p wrote

No.

It is not about buying crp, it is about searching and buying particular layout that you are searching for. It none will do anything about calling the layout correctly, than you will have hard time on finding the correct one.

Every sale page on any resource goes to the search engines, search engines inspects them, grab the keywords, images, stores them and process. Eventually when you will go looking for set of keys for irish layout you will get ton of garbage results with us international.

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IHateYouFuckingPpl t1_itovusy wrote

Look dude no one fucking cares. U are a small small minority and if u really need Irish layout then u already know u won’t get it with crp.

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saurterrs t1_itowshl wrote

You either fail to parse my argument or not willing. Have a good day.

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bu3nno t1_itnm13n wrote

Can confirm, no Guinness logo.

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CCO812 t1_itmcpnb wrote

They added a clover so it must legally be Irish now

I really wanna say this is another KPRepublic bullshit but I'm not sure yet

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DiplomacyPunIn10Did OP t1_itmdn3g wrote

It appears to be an error originally from IMSTO that got propagated to multiple dyesub manufacturers. KPRepublic might be making the same error, but they probably aren't the source.

They should fix it, if it turns out to be the case.

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Thatariesbloke t1_itmq4op wrote

THANK YOU!

I knew I wasn't the only one narked at this

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MechaCoffeeBean t1_itnm15e wrote

The most annoying thing for me is that you cant even get them in the layout we use in Ireland...

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DiplomacyPunIn10Did OP t1_itnn9k4 wrote

In this case, that’s because the sublegends are part of a layout that assumes the primary legends are US, not UK/Irish.

I guess I could see the use case for people who swap between UK/Irish and US International, but I’m not sure that’s all that frequent.

What might work better would be to use the full US International legends with the specific UK/Irish primary legends front-printed on keys that differ.

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steezkeebs t1_itnt2qm wrote

According to syrup labs, it is now called “Not Irish” and the picture now reads “US-INTL”

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DiplomacyPunIn10Did OP t1_itnvz82 wrote

Yup. I was able to persuade Syrup to make that change. I’m hoping the other vendors follow suit.

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makenmodify t1_itm2txf wrote

For me as a German it is as useless as any oter ANSI QWERTY layout 🤷‍♂️

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nonexistantchlp t1_itpcpkc wrote

I'm pretty sure they're calling the design irish and not the sublegends

You can for example have a japanese themed keyboard with English letters in it

There is nothing inherently wrong about these keycaps.

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DiplomacyPunIn10Did OP t1_itpg85e wrote

Taken out of context you might think that, but it’s one of a list of alpha sets named primarily by their languages.

Then you have multiple other sites explicitly calling it the Irish layout or “Irish Language” in the product description.

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ILikeShorts88 t1_itmkw4n wrote

Took me a second to realize that that wasn’t the legend on the spacebar.

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soukaixiii t1_itnzn16 wrote

Why is there an Ñ?

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DiplomacyPunIn10Did OP t1_itodt7o wrote

The layout is actually US International, which is a multilingual layout that provides access to characters used in Western & Northern European languages. Spanish, French, German, Danish, etc.

It can handle Irish too, but the actual Irish layout is a different thing.

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Garland_Key t1_itoiyi7 wrote

IKR!? No pot of gold or lucky charms keys? WTF?

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nonexistantchlp t1_itpcot5 wrote

I'm pretty sure they're calling the design irish and not the sublegends

You can for example have a japanese themed keyboard with English letters in it

There is nothing inherently wrong about these keycaps.

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danlab09 t1_ito2x90 wrote

Looks Irish to me

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Odysseus042 t1_itmy03v wrote

it’s leprechaun layout

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Rude_Chipmunk7159 t1_ito2rtq wrote

As an irish person i cant conform since the only reason im on this sub is cuz ooo fancy keyboard still

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chilicheesecake1 t1_itoqni2 wrote

Either OP is hard trolling or slowly becoming a karen.

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EnjoyMyInSec t1_itlsdms wrote

It’s not like we need/will change.

It’s called irish since the early days of the hobby, so, sorry if that bother you but you’ll have to deal with it.

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65160 t1_itlwfmt wrote

This is such a poor mindset

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EnjoyMyInSec t1_itlwluv wrote

I won’t change how I name something for like 6 years just because some dudes got pissed about it. Feel free to find a name

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65160 t1_itlx2oh wrote

Just because it was wrong for 6 years doesn't make it right

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fubarecognition t1_itpaqlm wrote

It's more of an Irish American layout in a way, someone actually from Ireland likely wouldn't want to have shamrocks on their keyboard.

It would be like having maple syrup on the French layout, and giving it Cyrillic characters.

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DiplomacyPunIn10Did OP t1_itlxhuj wrote

Things change names all the time, and this one is honestly pretty easy since it’s objectively wrong.

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EnjoyMyInSec t1_itlxxlr wrote

Well feel free to find a name then :) But for now it will remain green irish legends.

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wosmo t1_itlygcf wrote

So if you're actually looking for the US Intl layout, do you just .. start searching for random countries? I don't get it.

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