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arseinmymouth OP t1_j73jh5w wrote

Reply to comment by DevinBelow in King gizzard are overrated and I’m so tired of seeing them posted ad nauseam on any music sub by arseinmymouth

Yea I wasn’t clear my b, I didn’t mean musically at all. I think the Grateful Dead similar to king gizzard have very little to offer. No seminal albums, not great song writers, but with the caveat I can accept that the Grateful Dead are very technically proficient especially in a rock context.

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cmac712 t1_j73kwrr wrote

Not great song writers? Very little to offer? You may not like their music (which is fine) but to say either groups, especially the Dead, don’t have great song writers is just ignorant. What a moronic take

King Gizz has 25 albums, many of which are of varying genres and styles. If you hate every single one of them, I think that says more about you than them

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arseinmymouth OP t1_j73ldpe wrote

Yea if you’re a great songwriter you’re kinda known for the songs not cheap gimmicks like releasing a ton of albums in styles you can’t master. What are the Grateful Dead famous for? Their touring hahaha the most celebrated versions of their songs are extended live jams. No one gives a shit about their song writing, do they even have an album that went multi platinum? Pretty hilarious considering their heyday was when people actually bought records

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FuckYouCaptainTom t1_j73pd0k wrote

Grateful Dead and Gizzard both draw from a lot of styles and write complex music, which is not always palatable to general listeners, but tends to actually be appreciated by the “musically literate.” I would contrast that to queens of the Stone Age and stoner rock bands that are basically pentatonic riff droning. I genuinely like QOTSA but would not use them as a pedestal for proving your awesome musical literacy while bashing either of these bands.

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arseinmymouth OP t1_j73sjq3 wrote

Dude king gizzard are not complex and I didn’t bring up qotsa who aren’t all that complex but definitely leagues more complicated than king gizzard when the song calls for it. His perversion of the microtonal guitar isn’t complex… it’s literally the opposite have you heard Turkish music and the guitarists that have been playing micro tonal instruments for years? It’s not even close to the same… so what kinda complex music are you talking about exactly? They aren’t doing any virtuoso musical impressions ala a mahavishnu orchestra or Zappa? Where’s their complex chord progressions? They’re no Elliot smith, no grizzly bear, hell queens keep fresh with his octave pinky trick listen to bandoliers by tcv wanna hear “complex” chord voicings. King gizzard is power chords, wtf do they do complicated harmonies nope, so ya nice try bud

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Bootstrapbill22 t1_j744b9f wrote

You sound like you listened to half of one of their albums and formed an opinion. I guarantee you their is a lot more to their music than that.

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FuckYouCaptainTom t1_j745d2v wrote

It’s pretty obvious you haven’t actually listened to much kgatlw or are just super trenched into your argument. Saying that they just use power chords is flat out wrong, they use more interesting time signatures, polyrhythms, modal mixing, and yes, microtones, than any popular touring band that comes to my mind, and in my opinion I think that this lends to interesting songwriting. I’m not even trying to say I don’t like QOTSA… but it’s super easy to pick apart your “bring gatekeeping back” bullshit by turning it back on the bands that you seem to enjoy.

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arseinmymouth OP t1_j748udb wrote

They have albums dominated by power chords. You literally just used some buzz words without explaining your claim of them being this complex band. Once again didn’t bring up qotsa, do I consider qotsa complex? Ehh not the first thing that comes to mind, definitely more inventive than king gizzard for the reasons I’ve already mentioned. Back to the microtonal dumbing down and boxing the microtonal guitars into a very western context is by no means complicated. Like saying including a theremin on a song makes it inherently complex. Where’s the complex chord progressions? Time signatures are overblown so many bands have played around with odd time signatures, the real prize is having a song breach the mainstream as an odd time signature which they of course don’t have.

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Bootstrapbill22 t1_j74oqvv wrote

Mate complex chord progressions don’t equal good songs. Buuut if you actually had listened to the band you’ll find quite a few bands interesting progressions, but they aren’t shoved in your face. KG aren’t trying to make radio hits.

Also, the microtonal concept wasn’t intended to be like “Woahh this so so complex”, they were intentionally trying to bring them in in a subtle way that is still listenable to most western rock fans.

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FuckYouCaptainTom t1_j74t23g wrote

Since you’ve clearly just read a bad review of flying microtonal banana and used it to justify your opinion without listening to the bands catalogue, we can use that as an example. The criticism seems to be that they are using Turkish microtonal scales in a chord based progressive context and that’s bad, which would be valid if they were making traditional Turkish music. I think the album is cool because they had the idea to use microtonal as a means of dissonance… the whole point is that it doesn’t “work” with chord driven songs. If you ever make the effort to dive a bit deeper into their catalogue, they do a lot of other interesting things that I think are pretty inventive things like microtonal key change modulation that to my knowledge are pretty unique in modern rock. You can say it’s bad if you want, and I can disagree. Is the branding and drooling over the instruments they modified for the album a bit cringe? Sure, but I don’t think this alone makes them a gimmick band like you’ve implied. I don’t think the band is trying to be “mainstream,” nor do I think they are trying to cater to pretentious math rock types that fetishize unconventional songwriting, I legitimately think they are doing this because it is how they are inspired to create new music.

The fact that you keep talking asking about chords tells me you have a very loose grasp on music theory. Are you asking if they have songs that use chords besides simple major and minor? I’ve already discussed the chromatic elements of their songs, they use tons of non-standard chords. Their newest album is jazz influenced… go listen to that, not that it will change anything here since you’re just mad that your favorite subreddit picked them as the band of the week last week.

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MikeRowePeenis t1_jabidly wrote

Holy fuck you are so hilariously pretentious, I didn’t know people like you actually exist.

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cmac712 t1_j73n5nu wrote

Lol and what are Queens of the Stone Age famous for? Sheesh talk about a shitty band. I can assure you nobody give a shit about their song writing either. And by your logic, Creed is a better band than Queens of the Stone Age because they’ve sold more records and gone multi-platinum more.

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kurtpropan666 t1_j75jdll wrote

What a shit take lmao. QOTSA’s individual albums have more songwriting chops and passion than King Gizzards bloated discography, they’re pretty damn successful because of the songwriting. I think the fact that every major player in the industry respects Josh and QOTSA says a lot, a lot of them respect King Gizzard as well. Neither are “awful”, that’s objectively bullshit.

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Slight_Purpose_9092 t1_j73vy2c wrote

Workingman's Dead? American Beauty? Europe 72? What the fuck are you talking about?

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