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newX7 t1_ixbp92v wrote

Reply to comment by CAJ_2277 in Actor/footballer Vinnie Jones with opposing player Paul Gascoigne during a match. 1988 by 305FUN

Really? Imagine a guy grabbing a girls genitals and punching it really hard against her wishes. Would you still be saying that’s not sexual assault?

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CAJ_2277 t1_ixbsgv7 wrote

Why would I imagine that? This is two guys, on a sports field, with one twisting the others nuts as dirty play being an asshole. It’s unsportsmanlike soccer, not sexual assault. Ffs.

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newX7 t1_ixbskdx wrote

Because if the same action was done to a woman, you would be screaming sexual assault at the top of your longs. But apparently you’re one of those people that doesn’t believe that men can be victims of sexual assault.

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CAJ_2277 t1_ixbt7ck wrote

I feel like you’re an MRA type looking for an internet fight. Your shrillness isn’t helping you.

> Because if the same action was done to a woman, you would be screaming sexual assault….

That’s literally an ‘And if your aunt had balls she’d be your uncle’ moment.

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newX7 t1_ixby816 wrote

And I feel like you’re one of those “men can’t be raped” guys. You’re attitude also isn’t helping.

And the moment you described doesn’t make it any less true.

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TaischiCFM t1_ixd3sga wrote

Is kicking a man in the groin sexual assault in your world?

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newX7 t1_ixdk91u wrote

That’s actually a good point. Don’t know, depends on the intent.

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mronion82 t1_ixe27yg wrote

Why? Because if you go by that logic Vinnie's ball squeeze isn't sexual assault as it wasn't done with sexual intent.

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newX7 t1_ixe43p1 wrote

Counterpoint: If a guy shoves his hands into a girls genitals, as long as there isn’t sexual intent, it isn’t sexual assault?

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mronion82 t1_ixe5249 wrote

You brought intent into it.

You're not comparing like things. I'm a woman. If I were playing in a football match and another woman grabbed or twisted my vulva or breasts I would assume it was an aggressive move designed to put me off my game.

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newX7 t1_ixe5nhm wrote

Ok, if the intent was specifically aimed at a sexual organ or genital, or there was sexual intent in the mind of the perpetrator, then yeah, I would consider it sexual assault.

And if you were in that situation, I would also consider it sexual also. The two are not mutually exclusive.

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mronion82 t1_ixe6dxx wrote

Does genital contact automatically make an assault sexual then?

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newX7 t1_ixe6kp1 wrote

If you were aiming there purposely when assaulting someone, yeah.

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mronion82 t1_ixe84j5 wrote

Why?

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newX7 t1_ixfa8pu wrote

Because you delibaretely aimed to attack someone at their sexual organ.

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mronion82 t1_ixfc2c6 wrote

So then how do we differentiate legally between that and what we call sexual assault now?

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newX7 t1_ixff6e0 wrote

Maybe don’t intentionally aim at people’s sexual genitals unless it’s in defense.

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mronion82 t1_ixfh8lu wrote

You don't see sny difference between hitting someone in the bollocks in anger and getting a sexual kick from it? They're two very different motives and I think it makes sense to treat them separately.

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